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From: JLC
To: Kamboj Chander
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:52 AM
Dear Kamboj Sir,
Sub Maj/Hony Lt Kameshwar Pandey's apprehensions are correct to some extent.
Firstly. The OROP movement was started after prolonged deliberations in the core group. The statements made by Gen Kadiyan has never conveyed an impression that the movement will be left half hearted. It is that resolve and his love for the military veterans that the issues are getting cleared one by one. We have come close to grant of OROP. If it does not come thru during the present Govt's tenure, it is bound to come when the next Govt. takes over. For that enough spade work has been done and ground laid.
Secondly. SM/Lt Pandey is right when he points fingers at Govt. organizations meant for ESMs. I have had the opportunity to witness the plight of PBORs in the hands of those manning these orgs. There is an urgent requirement to revamp these orgs and make it PBORcentric (like Punjab is already following).
Best regards.
Col JL Chatterji
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From: Christopher D'Silva chrisdsilva41@hotmail.com
Subject: FW:
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in , TRUNCATED
Date: Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 11:10 PM
Forwarded
...
New York Times reader comment on India going to the polls,
"The world's biggest exercise in democracy"
April 15, 2009.
It is truly the greatest show on Earth, an ode to a diverse and democratic ethos, where 700 million + of humanity vote, providing their small part in directing their ancient civilization into the future. It is no less impressive when done in a neighborhood which includes de-stabilizing and violent Pakistan, China, and Burma.
Its challenges are immense, more so probably than anywhere else, particularly in development and fending off terrorism -- but considering these challenges and its neighbors, it is even more astounding that the most diverse nation on Earth, with hundreds of languages, all religions and cultures, is not only surviving, but thriving.
The nation where Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism were born, which is the second largest Muslim nation on Earth; where Christianity has existed for 2000 years; where the oldest Jewish synagogues and Jewish communities have resided since the Romans burnt their 2nd temple; where the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government in exile reside; where the Zorostrians from Persia have thrived since being thrown out of their ancient homeland; where Armenians and Syrians and many others have to come live; where the Paris-based OECD said was the largest economy on Earth 1500 of the last 2000 years, including the 2nd largest only 200 years ago; where 3 Muslim Presidents have been elected, where a Sikh is Prime Minister and the head of the ruling party a Catholic Italian woman, where the President is also a woman, succeeding a Muslim President who as a rocket scientist was a hero in the nation; where a booming economy is lifting 40 million out of poverty each year and is expected to have the majority of its population in the middle class, already equal to the entire US population, by 2025; where its optimism and vibrancy is manifested in its movies, arts, economic growth, and voting, despite all the incredible challenges and hardships; where all the great powers are vying for influence, as it itself finds its place in the world.
Where all of this is happening, is India, and as greater than 1/10 of humanity gets ready to vote, it is an inspiration to all the World.
- V Mitchell, New York, NY
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From: rashtriya raksha dal col moorthy rashtriyarakshadal@gmail.com
Subject: NEW WEB SIGHT FOR RRD
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in , TRUNCATED
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 12:02 PM
My Dear Sir,
First of all the family of RASHTRIYA RAKSHA DAL welcomes you all as members of the DAL Family as you all have responded to the mails.
We now have a E-Mail ID and also a web sight. Hence forth you are requested to give a wide publicity to the RASHTRIYA RAKSHA DAL. And ask maximum veterans to join the DAL FAMILY.
We welcome any suggestion from any one to have maximum membership / VOTE BANK in political parlance and suggestions for state leaders out which we shall have the election for every state.
Please go to site rashtriyarakshadal.webs.com you will know everything about RRD.
We hope with your & every body's cooperation we will be so well united & have a force to recon with by next election .
Regrds & best wishes
Col SC Dewan
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From: Tejandra Pal Tyagi tptyagi@gmail.com
Subject: Support to BJP Candidate
To: rajkadyan@yahoo.com, csk551@dataone.in, TRUNCATED
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 2:54 PM
All India Ex-Servicemen Movement and Rashtriya Sainik Sanstha - extend Support to Shri Raj Nath Singh
On behalf of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan- Chairman of the All India Ex-Servicemen Movement, on our personal behalf and on behalf of all the members of the All India Ex-Servicemen Movement, we announce total support to Shri Raj Nath Singh in the Lok Sabha Elections 2009.
We also extend total support to Shri Raj Nath Singh on behalf of all the members of Rashtriya Sainik Sanstha which comprises both –the ex-servicemen and those civilians who have faith in saying Jai Hind in mutual felicitations, in stead of Good Morning.
We appreciate the following issues, amongst many others, addressed by
the BJP :-
1. Initiation of ECHS(Ex-servicemen compensatory Health Scheme).
2. Bringing back the bodies of the Shaheed Sipahee to his relations.
3. Mention in Manifesto to implement OROP(One Rank one Pension) with in 100 days of power.
4. To bring back our money from Swiss Bank and declare it Rashtriya Sampatti.
Maj Gen A J B Jaini Col Tejandra Pal Tyagi
Member Core Group,IESM Member Core Group IESM
And And
Patron Rashtriya Sainik Sanstha PresidentRashtriyaSainik Sanstha
Note : Similar support is being extended to BJP candidates at Meerut, Moradabad and Baraeilley on 03 May, 05th May and 08th May respectively as desired by Gen Satbir Singh.
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From: navin chaudhry nkchaudhrynavin@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - A reply to disbelievers.
To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 8:17 AM
Dear Sir's
Going through some of the comments makes me feel that the concept of being "apolitical" is not clear. Let me confess- I and all my friends of the veteran category vote for a particular party in any election. We have been doing so over the last 20 yearts. We even ask others to vote for this party. Now the Government has given all soldiers the right to vote locally. Election meetings can be held in the cantonments and soldiers can attend, to make an informed choice. Are we getting politically aligned? Is not good governance our concern? And pray, what is good governance other than self interest or interest of a group or a community: the horizon of self interest varies.
All that IESM core group has done is to give an advisory in the interest of a group. What is the big deal. May be the higher ranks of the Armed Forces does make us inflexible to any other point of view, except are own.
I have read some foul words and even an "advisory" that IESM leadership has been bought (so say the IAS !!). That is the personal view of the writer, but a sad comment on attitudes. Why question the integrity of any officer. What if I question your integrity?
The advisory- after due deliberation of an intense struggle is not an "anti national" act as is being made out to be. It is a logical culmination.
To say that political parties other than BJP will not do any thing on OROP is again taking for granted that they are not concerned about the Army. Sirs, they are as concerned and as patriotic as any one else. Army is a national institution- it cannot be consigned to the dust bin by any political party. Has Congress, despite its traditional antipathy and long years in power, succeeded? That the neglect has gone so far is probably because of our own fervent desire to be seen as too "apolitical". Has not the CPI, without fanfare, accepted the OROP in its manifesto? Would the advisory been "apolitical" had it been in favour of Congress or CPI. Is the "advisory " itself the sacrilege. Then why struggle at all..The immediate outcome lies in the mists of future but to my way of thinking the message is loud and clear for any one who cares to listen- the soldiers have woken up for their rights! The IESM has given the wake up call not only to the national conscience, but also to the other ESM Groups. Ignore it to your peril. That it is easy to divide the retired soldiers, specially of higher ranks is also visible; to be made use of, at the opportune time.
Veterans Kadyan and his group deserve to be complimented for waking us up- even the most vociferous detractors. Kudos to your commitment. Success will come, today or tomorrow.
Col NK Chaudhry (settled at Lucknow)
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From: Charan Singh charansingh31@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAILS FROM MEMBERS - EMAIL 370/2009 - 03 MAY 09 - (C to G)
To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 5:33 PM
Dear CSK,
It is sad to find that some ESMs are getting as abusive as most politicians in the heat of election. Disgusting.
Charan
(Brig Charan Singh, Una, Himachal)
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From: Charanjit Jairath drjairath.cj@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" –
AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT BY PM
- EMAIL 372/2009 - 03 MAY 09 - (H to L)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 10:42 PM
Sir i fail to understand what is close to OROP. We have been made fool time and again and taken for a ride by these babus. Why didn't they include one of the chief from services.Yeh kya bander want ho rahi hai. This must stop. We must fight and rightly it is said -IT NOW OR NEVER. Let us show these so called boses that enough is enough.
With warm regards,
Gp Capt Charanjit Singh Jairath.
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From: pran parashar pran.parashar@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" -
AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT BY PM
- EMAIL 372/2009 - 03 MAY 09 - (M to Q)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 7:34 PM
Dear All,
Blessings.
I don't think we should pay any attention to all these rumours. This Govt has no intention of doing anything for us. I do hope that we would stick out and not let it become a OROP(O) campaign. That would be the worst thing for the services.
As you would all notice, there is no service personnel in these so called committees. It is only kite flying to create split amongst us.
It is now or never and should be all or nothing.
Lots of love and blessings.
(Cdr) Pran Parashar
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From: SHARAD PARANJAPE sharpara@gmail.com
Subject: PM's announcement
To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 8:03 PM
Dear Chander:
A heartwarming news no doubt but again it is a committee of secretaries, and no assurance. Worse still, no representation of Services in either committee. Decisions about PBOR might be taken by people who have probably never even talked to a PBOR.
I hope that my understanding is wrong and ultimately the committees will have service represntatives capable of thumping the tables.
Col Sharad Paranjape. (USA)
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From: kewal malhotra k1k2m3_ra@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" -
AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT BY PM -
EMAIL 372/2009 - 03 MAY 09 - (M to Q)
To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 8:31 PM
My Dear Chander'
Sorry for being so cynical but certainly it is the same bunch of bunders distributing paneer amongst trustig billies as in the good ol' fable.
Every time our expectency is built up that Baboos manage to belie it after taking a few months / years adding more anamolies to the prevailing confusion confounded. WE are still unrepresented.
I am certin this is another meaningless posture to negate the swell of bonhomie BJP SEEMS TO HAVE ensured by listening to the demands articulated by the IESM let us hope this miracle may yet happen.
deep regards
Col K K Malhotra, Signals
439-C Sector29,NOIDA-201303
Tele 0120-2453114
mob 9811552570
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From: Rajender Kukreja rajender.kukreja@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Comment on the
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT BY PM
- EMAIL 372/2009 - 03 MAY 09 - (H to L)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 9:06 PM
Sir,
My hats off to you to keep this going inspite of the sometimes awkward/silly/selfish comments that somebody had two days ago (put right by Cdr Pran..)
Regarding this news item I have two questions/comments
Question 1 - Appointing Committees means nothing - there is still no representation from the Services - none of the persons in the committees would be able to give the seniority/order of the ranks even if one of them can list out all the ranks of the three services.
Question 2 - Why Now? Means our Vote Bank idea is working?
regards
Brig Rajender Kukreja
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From: masdelhi@indiatimes.com
To: Kamboj Chander
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: Misuse of the Forum
Dear Brig Kamboj,
I always read your mails with great interest. No doubt, you are doing a yoeman service to the organisation by keeping all of us posted with the latest and current updates on various issues. I however, find that some members are using this forum to settle their personal scores and play a mud slinging match. Such members, already have the email IDs of their BEST FRIEND !!! and should communicate with them directly, without cluttering up your already overflowing ' In Box'. Perhaps, this will give you more time to look at some constructive and useful mails. Also, some of us are critical of some actions taken by the heirarchy in the ESM, without giving a thought to the sincere and selfless service being given by them to the forum. This is another favourite pastime, in which some of us excel.
Sincerely,
Lt Col MA Siddiqui, New Delhi
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From: madhav datar madhavdatar@hotmail.com
Subject: IESM
To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 1:55 PM
Dear Brig Kamboj,
I wish to record my disagreement with the way the ldrship of IESM has put all its' eggs in the BJP basket. I fully endorse views by Gen V Oberai in this.
Asking veterans to do field level work for election in favor of BJP is not a wise move. We should rather be using the brain power (like the naal Foundation) to remove technical hitches in OROP rather than making it a political agenda with a lot of uncertainities thrown in.
I hope things will work out favorably in due course , who ever comes to power , and not because of one party only.
Madhav Datar
Lt Gen MG Datar (retd) 'SUMAN', 10 Mandleshwar Road MHOW (MP)-453441 Mob 9826650933
(I regret that I too totally disagree with your assessment of the situation. You are not aware of the ground realities. You are writing all this from the comfort of your room.
Go and meet the PBOR to learn what they want.
For IESM, views of PBOR are more important than the orthodox views of some officers, no matter how senior and experience they are.
We all need to change with time.
– Chander Kamboj)
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From: Satish Inamdar satishinamdar@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [MilitaryVeterans] RE: IESM getting politically divided.
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in , TRUNCATED
Date: Monday, 4 May, 2009, 12:56 PM
Most of the objectionable original dispensations/ formulations of the 6th CPC relating to the Armed Forces, since amended/ improved by the Central Govt, have definitely set right aberrations and imbalances...some more, some less but that's inevitable. Inter se equitability in all cases is more important and doable than equality which can be quite tricky when it comes to doing the actual sums.
Persistent and determined efforts by the three Chiefs have paid off and will hopefully continue to improve matters further. Contributions of particular bodies like the IESM in general and people like General Kadiyan in particular have indeed been significant in this regard.
Much/ entire credit must indeed go to them all collectively for where we’ve reached today vis a vis the 6th CPC. It may not be possible to thank them all adequately for the yeoman service they all have rendered……..for the first time since the CPCs were instituted 50 years ago!!
But, having said that, I can not but endorse what Gen Oberoi and Adm Madan Jit Singh have had to say about overt/ public, en bloc political alignment and pronouncements, by either the serving or the retired 'fouji' community, no matter how strong and justified individual/ personal political sympathies and views (those we all are most certainly entitled to, privately), may be. My fear is that if we do not scrupulously maintain our assiduously preserved a-political character and public profile, we might, for small short-term monetary and protocol gains, just end up incurring huge long-term losses: those of our image and aura in the eyes of the people of India .
We also run the serious risk of being seen as easy preys to political machinations/ manipulations!
SGI
(From among the veterans who feel that IESM should not have issued an advisory in favour of BJP and NDA, not one of them has said as to what answer should have been given by ‘IESM field workers to the PBOR in villages, when they insisted on an answer to the question - “we should vote for which party during the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections?”
It is very easy for anyone to say who has done what wrong; it requires lot of courage to give one’s own views as to what they feel is right.
Please go and visit the PBOR in villages, asses the current situtaion and then give your opinion on the advisory issued by IESM. We all need to change with time.
- Chander Kamboj).
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From: Jay Bhattacharjee jay.bhattacharjee@gmail.com
Date: 2009/5/4
Subject: The Defenders of the Republic shooting themselves in the Foot once Again - IESM getting politically divided.
To: BARIN GHOSE bag1944@yahoo.co.in
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED
Dear Admiral Singh, Barin and all other Warriors who have served our Republic : 4 May 2009
The Republic's Proud Defenders should Stay United
I am writing this letter, most reluctantly, since I have not worn the country's uniform (not unless you count two years in the NCC after the Chinese debacle of 1962), but have been privileged to have many soldiers in our family and innumerable friends in the armed forces.
Barin Ghose is my class friend and old comrade. He has kindly included me in the list, because he is aware of my views on the issue. Two other friends to whom I am sending this letter, Colonel Krishnamoorthy (the evergreen soldier-crusader in his nineties) and Colonel Rajan, have some idea of my writings on our babus and netas in various publications. They know how citizens like me (and there are lots, I can assure you) have been appalled and disgusted by the treatment that the establishment has given to the country's defenders.
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Therefore, the twin (and I would say, inseparably linked) causes, i.e. the security of my beloved India and the welfare of our country's defenders, are very dear to me.
This, then, is my locus standi in this debate and I do hope the Republic's warriors will allow a citizen to express his views and concerns.
A) IESM's Advisory
As far as I have been able to understand, this is an advisory statement. People should not read something that is not there. It is not a diktat.
In a democracy, every citizen (that includes ex-warriors, of course) have the inalienable right to decide whom they should vote for.
My soldier comrades should not get too excited with this bagatelle and must maintain a common front.
Ex-servicemen's unity is the need of the hour.
If you, my friends and protectors, get divided, the babus and the netas will eat you for breakfast and brunch. Do not forget the axis of evil that this country has had for the last 60 years - the neta-babu combine. In such a venal framework, the ordinary citizens and the armed forces have no place whatsoever.
B) No group in the IESM should Impose its Voting Preferences on the Former Warriors
Having issued an advisory, the IESM should rest their case. As one warrior has written in his post, he will vote for the BJP, but he will do so because of his personal conviction. Let this be the spirit that prevails.
Opponents of the Advisory, equally, should not make this a bone of contention. I would particularly request Madanjit and Vijay to hold their fire.
C) In Life we do not deal with Absolutes
I do not want to sound like a TV preacher or a padre from the pulpit (Barin will remember good old Brother McCann, who taught us value systems but not the Gospel).
However, in practical terms, in a democracy and a multi-party system that we have under our curren
