Friday, May 29, 2009

Views of Brig HS Chaudhary

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From: harcharansingh chaudhary

To: Kamboj Chander
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - AN IMPORTANT EMAIL FROM VICE CHAIRMAN IESM - EMAIL 442/2009 - 28 MAY 09 - (C to G)

Dear Colleagues,
I will humbly request that we should not pass rude remarks. We should appreciate the hard work and total dedication of members like Lt Gen Kadyan, Maj Gen Satbir,Maj Gen Ranjen, Brig Kamboj and many others in the management of our affairs. We should whole heartedly convey our thanks to them. They are fighting a difficult battle ie to uplift we ex servicemen in particular.
Yours sincerely,
BRIG HS CHAUDHARY
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From: DR BRIGADIER V RAMANAN
To: raj kadyan ; REPORT MY SIGNAL(CS Kamboj) ; satbir singh
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: IESM:Clarification

dear gen satbir , kamboj and kadyan sirs

i had written on 16 may that you have done a marvellous job which no one did since independance.

i also wrote that you do no have to justify your action and decisions to any one

i had strongly recommended the use of RECYCLEBIN facility provided in the computer liberally for such mails.

god bless u

PRESS ON REGARDLESS.
BLESSINGS
DR RAM


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:23 PM, raj kadyan wrote:
Dear Veteran Prashar sir,
You have been more than a pillar of strength to the Movement. None of us were able to visit Jantar Mantar daily as you did. We do hope to continue receiving your guidance for long years.

Best regards,

Lt Gen (Emeritus) Raj Kadyan, PVSM, AVSM, VSM

Chairman IESM

262, Sector-17A
Gurgaon- 122 001
Tele: 91+124-4015262
91+ 9811226676

--- On Thu, 28/5/09, pran parashar wrote:

From: pran parashar
Subject: Re: IESM:Clarification
To: "satbir singh" "raj kadyan" , "col rajan" , TRUNCATED
Date: Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 4:10 PM
Dear Sirs,

Blessings.

It is most regrettable that some ESM members have actually made such statements about the funds. It is well that Gen. Satbir Singh has made the position very clear. But to my mind, it was not necessary. We should all be grateful to the members of the Core Group. They have achieved a miracle to organise ESM with out any staff or outside assistance.

We must continue to offer what ever little support we can to further the cause of the ESM. I have no doubt you would have noted the number of EX Servicemen approaching the ESM for assistance to solve their long outstanding problems.

This movement, by the grace of God and support of all members, is bound to grow in strength. The Powers that be are already taking note of us.

I am 85 years old now and may not be able to do very much except pray for our success. I thank Gen Kadyan, Gen.Satbir Sing, Gen,.Renjen, Brig . Kamboj and all others who have been carrying the flag at their own expense, largely.

May God continue to bless us with success.

Pran Parashar


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Views by Col HS Grewal

From: COL HS GREWAL

To: Kamboj Chander

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:47 PM

Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAILS FROM MEMBERS - EMAIL 440/2009 - 27 MAY 09 - (c to g)

Dear Kamboj Sir,

I am prepared to contribute Rs. Five Thousand for ex-servicemen who can not afford to pay the membership fee.
I can send the cheque for the above amount, please let me know to whom should it be sent so that we increase the membership base.
regards,
COL(Retd)HS GREWAL
97112-06972
L-004, VIVEK VIHAR,
SECTOR-82, NOIDA.
colhs_grewal@rediffmail.com
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From: harcharansingh chaudhary
To: Kamboj Chander
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - AN IMPORTANT EMAIL FROM VICE CHAIRMAN IESM - EMAIL 442/2009 - 28 MAY 09 - (C to G)

Dear Colleagues,
I will humbly request that we should not pass rude remarks. We should appreciate the hard work and total dedication of members like Lt Gen Kadyan, Maj Gen Satbir,Maj Gen Ranjen, Brig Kamboj and many others in the management of our affairs. We should whole heartedly convey our thanks to them. They are fighting a difficult battle ie to uplift we ex servicemen in particular.
Yours sincerely,
BRIG HS CHAUDHARY
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From: DR BRIGADIER V RAMANAN
To: raj kadyan ; REPORT MY SIGNAL(CS Kamboj) ; satbir singh
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: IESM:Clarification

dear gen satbir , kamboj and kadyan sirs

i had written on 16 may that you have done a marvellous job which no one did since independance.

i also wrote that you do no have to justify your action and decisions to any one

i had strongly recommended the use of RECYCLEBIN facility provided in the computer liberally for such mails.

god bless u

PRESS ON REGARDLESS.
BLESSINGS
DR RAM


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:23 PM, raj kadyan wrote:
Dear Veteran Prashar sir,
You have been more than a pillar of strength to the Movement. None of us were able to visit Jantar Mantar daily as you did. We do hope to continue receiving your guidance for long years.

Best regards,

Lt Gen (Emeritus) Raj Kadyan, PVSM, AVSM, VSM

Chairman IESM

262, Sector-17A
Gurgaon- 122 001
Tele: 91+124-4015262
91+ 9811226676

--- On Thu, 28/5/09, pran parashar wrote:

From: pran parashar
Subject: Re: IESM:Clarification
To: "satbir singh" "raj kadyan" , "col rajan" , TRUNCATED
Date: Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 4:10 PM
Dear Sirs,

Blessings.

It is most regrettable that some ESM members have actually made such statements about the funds. It is well that Gen. Satbir Singh has made the position very clear. But to my mind, it was not necessary. We should all be grateful to the members of the Core Group. They have achieved a miracle to organise ESM with out any staff or outside assistance.

We must continue to offer what ever little support we can to further the cause of the ESM. I have no doubt you would have noted the number of EX Servicemen approaching the ESM for assistance to solve their long outstanding problems.

This movement, by the grace of God and support of all members, is bound to grow in strength. The Powers that be are already taking note of us.

I am 85 years old now and may not be able to do very much except pray for our success. I thank Gen Kadyan, Gen.Satbir Sing, Gen,.Renjen, Brig . Kamboj and all others who have been carrying the flag at their own expense, largely.

May God continue to bless us with success.

Pran Parashar


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Wednesday, May 27, 2009

ENROLLMENT OF MEMBERS by Cdr V Vaidyanathan

From: Cdr V Vaidyanathan ambaforms@gmail.com

Subject: ENROLLMENT OF MEMBERS

To: "Gen Raj kadyan" rajkadyan@yahoo.com , "P Renjen" genrenjen@yahoo.co.in , "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: "Cdr Sharan Ahuja" sharansahuja@gmail.com , "ramantn sarma" colram40@gmail.com

Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 2:12 PM

Sirs,

I know that the IESM is on an enrollment drive and trying to increase the number of personal in its membership.I have Two points on this score.

Point 1

It is my experience that though the PBORs want to enroll in IESM. Most of them do not have Rs 100/- at all times in their pocket. When they have the money they find a more useful expense for it.

On the other hand lots of Veteran officers are contributing in thousands for the cause.Can we contact those officers who are contributing / contributed for the IESM cause to offset their excess contribution towards the Subscriptions of PBORs.

I am not suggesting that we make the enrollment free for PBORs. I am also aware that when you feel strongly for a cause you always find the resource.I know that the subscription is very low and the PBORs can afford to pay that amount.

Point 2

Almost all the villages in Tamil Nadu have an ESM association and contributing to the welfare of the ESM. The members have to pay yearly subscriptions. Will it be possible to fix certain yearly subscriptions for these Associations for bulk enrollment in the IESM.

The suggested amount of Subscription of Rs 500/- per year for associations having < than 50 members, Rs 750 for more than 51 and less than 100, and so on.

Regards,

Cdr V Vaidyanathan IN (Retd)
629 AD Street,KK Nagar
Trichy 620 021
Phone 0431 2351963
Mobile +91 94431 51088

Monday, May 25, 2009

Meeting of IESM, Tamilnadu, on 28 June 09,..Chennai

Dear Members of IESM,

The msg from Vice Chairman, IESM, is in line. I request the District Conveners Tamilnadu, to extend full co operation to our Movement. You have been the Pillars in mobilising the members from Tamilnadu. Kindly continue the good work. Further, please send the names of ESM appointed by you to strengthen our net work, in Towns, Tehsils & Villages, so that they can be honoured.

It is proposed to hold a Meeting of IESM, Tamilnadu, on 28 June 09, (Sunday) at the Community Hall of AWHO Parameswaran Vihar, 28 Arcot Road, Saligramam, Chennai-600093. The Meeting will elect/ confirm the Office Bearers of the Association, from State to District & lower levels. I personally request the District Conveners to kindly attend the Meeting to put across their valuable suggestions.

Kindly send your points for inclusion in the Agenda, by 14 Jun 09. Detailed programme for the event will be sent by 21-06- 09.

Though the Meeting is convened on behalf of IESM, all ESM Associations are requested to take part. We will consider it as an honour if the principle Office Bearers of other ESM Associations attend the Meeting, for better inter action.

With Best Wishes,
Col (Retd) TN Raman
Convener IESM Tamilnadu

Thursday, May 21, 2009

Views by Brig HS Chaudhary

From: harcharansingh chaudhary

To: Kamboj Chander
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:59 PM

Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - IESM SITREP 19 MAY 09 - EMAIL 425/2009 - 19 MAY 09 - (C to G)


Dear Gen Kadyan,

It was the right decision to support BJP. Here was one party who was wholly sympethetic to the Defences personnel and particularly the retd personnel. We should not worry about those who think otherwise.
Yourself, Gen Sarbjit,Brig Kamboj are doing an excellent job for our cause.
WE ARE GRATEFUL.
BRIG HS CHAUDHARY

OROP: Coordination is of paramount importance by Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi

From: VIJAY OBEROI oberoivijay@hotmail.com

Subject: SOME SUGGESTIONS

Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 7:55 PM

Dear All,

As you know, I am not a member of the IESM, but since I am concerned with veteran issues, I am appending my take on the post-election controversy, which has ruled the e-mail circuit since the election results were announced.

Now that tempers seem to have cooled down amongst the veterans, the need is for some introspection by all the organizations, big and small, which are looking after the interests of the veterans. This includes the Core Group of the IESM.
One has seen in the past that everyone wants to take credit for anything achieved and this was quite discernable in the various e-mails that were on the web from time to time. These also contributed to discord at times.The fact of the matter is that it is the contribution of every organization and some individuals too which resulted in the veterans getting some issues resolved. When one organization wants to take credit, it creates bad blood unnecessarily and hence should be avoided.
When something adverse happens, all organizations initially react in a manner which can best be described as ‘digging ones heels’, rationalization and trying to justify one’s actions. This phase is in reality counter-productive. Instead, what the members want is reassurances that the decision makers do realize that they got carried away by promises made and the presence of more or less committed persons who pushed the agenda of their favourite party and that they would be more pragmatic and less impulsive in future. Humility and not brashness is needed at this stage, if veteran organizations want to win back and retain their flocks and even get fresh aspirants. This is applicable to all veteran organizations and not just the IESM. After all, they all supported one or the other political parties, for their own reasons.
This is also the time to think rationally, with the head and not the heart, of how to make the best of a bad bargain and re-think on the future course of action. The following points come to my mind, but I am sure more knowledgeable persons would be able to refine and redefine them:

· Ø Should the agitational approach continue or should there be a pause, if not an abandonment of this approach altogether?
· Ø Is the organization ready to make ‘peace’ (I am not sure whether that is the correct word) with other veteran organizations and chalk out a coordinated, if not joint programme which can help the veterans collectively? It automatically means all concerned to give way partly (of both their egos and programmes) for the common good.
· Ø It is quite obvious that one of the earlier actions to be taken is to co-opt more than just the Core Group in the deliberations, as the Group can never be as objective as desirable. If a General Body Meeting can be organized, it may be a good option, but unless a few generally acceptable options are first decided and circulated, such a meeting may well be counter-productive, with a large number just articulating emotions! There may also be a logistics problem. There are two options to overcome the problem, as under:
· - Firstly, a brain-storming session should be held by say about 50 selected members, who should debate all issues dispassionately and come up with a working plan for further implementation.
· - Secondly, if Option I is not feasible, then another possible solution is to nominate a small cell which can tour major locations in each state to discuss and find out views of a large cross-section of members and even others if feasible.
· - Irrespective of the option adopted, the outcome should then be disseminated and members be asked to vote on the issues recommended, thus obviating members from outstations being called for a General Body Meeting.
· Ø My view is that time is NOT at a premium. The newly established cabinet and government will need time to settle down to their jobs and deal with more weighty issues. For them, the issue of OROP or other issues agitating the veterans are, I feel, of lesser importance. In the interim, issues considered important by the veterans should be listed out and sent to them so that they are flagged till the concerned veteran organization is ready to commence a more comprehensive dialogue.

The above suggestions are not only for the IESM, but all veteran organizations. Simultaneously, efforts should be re-initiated, separately, to reach understandings amongst all veteran organizations, as all are undoubtedly working for the benefit of the veteran community, in their own way. It may be utopian, at least at this stage, to think that the different organizations will merge and become one entity. However, coordination and cooperation are eminently feasible. What is needed is appreciation of others viewpoints and an accommodative approach.

I have deliberately refrained from commenting on the following issues, as they are highly sensitive and can be read wrongly, when one is trying to mend matters and reach a consensus:
· Ø The agitational or the lobbying approach.
· Ø Rationalization of the bigger question whether veterans and active service personnel should go their separate ways or adopt the theory of the umbilical chord, stressed by many, including me.
· Ø The major question of being politically aligned or being apolitical; many views have already been expressed. In addition, what constitutes being ‘political’ and the parameters of being ‘apolitical’.
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Warm regards.


· Vijay Oberoi
(Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi, Former VCOAS)

Views by Brig RS Chhikara

From: chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Here Onwards


Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 6:05 PM

Dear Chander , Gen Kadyan and Satbir,

I have been shying away from congratulating and thanking you all since the election results were announced.

Need less to say ; the advisory was well thouight out and well articulated. Brooks no criticism on either count. We must keep our thoughts positive and constructive.

The IESM campaign so far has achieved not only a considerable degree of understanding and co-operation among the ESM community it has generated wide awareness of the problem and appreciation of the justness of the demand. It is necessary to build on this progress.

Every or any Government that comes to rule India is indeed our Government. The IESM and the serving soldier, sailor and airman is not anty Govt or ante any political party. We chose to recommend our vote for one coalition that promised the most fair resolution of the problem as a one time measure. Our appreciation is similarly due to the Left Front parties not withstanding their inclinations towards larger issues of national security because of which our advisory did not extend to them. we also apreciate the personal views of those Congressmen and women who were highly sympathetic to our stand although they were not able to influence the policy decision of their government. There are many such voices in the Congress and other UPA parties.

The Sixth Pay Commission has indeed created a serious chasm between the soldier and the Government of the day. there is a serious loss of faith and a severe erosion of morale.
A healthy and satisfied defence establishment is a National imperative and not a matter of turf war between a section of politicians and bureaucracy on the one side and the soldier, both serving and retired ,on the other. The nation can ill afford such a chasm and urgent steps need to be taken by all to set matters right. The IESM needs to do so as mi\uch as the newly installed government and the Bureaucracy.

In our widely held perception, much of the blame lies with the over zealous and overbearing bureaucracy. Perhapse the Political bosses have either been misled of misinformed and mis advised,. Alternately either the bureaucrat rode rough shod over the political figurehead or the political establishment themselves desired to put the military down. Personally I discount the last proposition completely.

Be that as it may, The new political government can be expected to be much more confidant and self assured which fact enables them to resist bureacratic arm twisting much more effectively. I believe that our battle is with the bureaucrat and not with the politician.our best interest therefore demands a better Military- Politician relationship based on trust and National interest.This means repairing our relationship with the congress party on the basis of shared national interest and mutual faith.

In the euphoria of victory the congress party can be expected to adopt either of the following lines of thought and action.

(a) A vidictive approach towards not oly the IESM but also the serving chiefs. It is possible that the Babu lobby will like to egg the politician on to go right ahead and teach the military a lesson . This is the worst case scenario not just for us but even more so for the Nation. The inherent dangers associated with this approach need to be actively and effectively brought home to the politician. This thought needs to be articulated through multiple channels.

(b). A confident and sympathetic approach based on a belated understanding of the injustice caused by ill motivated and injudicious influences of the bureaucracy. In fact the newly aquired sense of self confidence among the ruling political class can be steered to promote such an attitude where they can take credit for being magnanimus in victory while doing the right thing in National interest.

Our best instruments for achieving our objective in the current circumstances apear to be the following.

(a). Artcles and letters in the media by eminent friends .

(b) IESM Congratulates the Congress for their decisive mandate.

(c) We must meet and brief maximum number of new MPs and ministers on the importance of taking bold positive steps to regain the trust of the Military and ESM.

(d). We must also and more importantly work our concerns through the serving chiefs.

(e). MPs in the opposition should also be constantly encouraged to list this relationship problem as one of the most urgent points on the new agenda of Govt.

Views submitted for whatever these are worth.

Brig RS Chhikara. Veteran

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

Views by col Manjit sodhi

From: Manjeet Sodhi

To: Kamboj Chander

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: A Point of View on Action Required going Forward

A Point of View on Action Required going Forward
Dear Colleagues and Friends,

A lot of time and E Mails have been exchanged lately on the wisdom (or otherwise) of the advisory to vote for BJP. Many forget that this advisory was issued by the IESM Core group only after the UPA (Congress) Govt did not accept our legitimate demand of OROP and even stated in Parliament that it was not feasible on `legal, administrative and financial reasons’. Which meant that they had no intention to open that issue after they had made that statement in Parliament.

There was a need for the ESM community to show their disappointment (which we did by Fasts until death and Relay fasts as also various Demonstrations in the Jantar Mantar area). These were coupled by similar demonstrations in various cities including Bangalore etc and by a spate of articles by various ex-servicemen in print media and on TV. If the Govt of the day is not willing to concede the legitimate demands of a Group, what avenues are open to a Group than protests and media articles? The right to vote is the legitimate right of every citizen and members of a group have every right to vote for a party which is likely to support the interests of that particular Group. Hence the `advisory to vote for BJP was definitely wise and appropriate’.

With the Congress now being the largest party, we should approach the new UPA / Congress Govt for a fresh look at our demand of OROP. The Chairperson of the Congress should now be approached once again. The Chairman IESM may now formally ask the new Defence Minister that IESM should be included in any Commission constituted by the Govt on pension related issues of the ESM community. If the new Govt is prepared to offer say OROP less Rs 1 (as was done by the NDA after the Fifth Pay Commision?) we should accept the same. But if the new Govt is not willing to offer anything approaching OROP but is bent on trying to divide the ESM community using some `pliable’ organizations, then IESM should NOT accept any such decision.

I apprehend that if AK Antony is again appointed as the Defence minister (a distinct possibility) we may face a `khundak’ response. I for one am not as sanguine as Col Paranjpe that the new Govt will not adopt a `khundak’ approach. As Staff College and common sense teaches us to prepare for the `worst eventuality / response’ our contingency planning must be based on this premise. Our NDA / IMA training teaches us to look after the interests of our subordinates and interests of PBOR (as ably articulated by Sub Maj (Hony Lt) Kamleshwar Pandey) must form the Core of the demands that IESM projects to the new Govt. If we get a `khundak’ response, we should be prepared to :
(a) Restart and Continue our protests in the Jantar Mantar area.


(b) Approach the BJP and any MP with familial ties to the ESM community (e.g. the wife of Capt Amrinder Singh) and try to put up pressure from within the parliament. The ruling party should not be left in any illusion but should be told repeatedly that the ESM community is `unhappy’ with the deal that has been given to them so far.


(c) Project our demand for OROP in the Courts - for which the Naval Association may be asked to take the lead.


(d) Simultaneously we should project our point of view to every serving `service chief’ so that they can `prepare the ground’ from within the organization.
I feel that as an organization we in the IESM are indeed lucky to have a group of selfless and capable persons at our helm of affairs. In my long Army service I have come across only 4 persons who had PVSM, AVSM, VSM decorations. Perhaps there are not more than say 50 such persons in all three services combined from amongst the over say 3 Lacs retired and serving officers combined of all three services. I think it should be obvious that any person who has such a string of decorations is at the least `capable and effective’. We are also lucky to have a Vice Chairman IESM who having been a member of the Fourth and Fifth Pay commissions brings a lot of `subject matter expertise’ besides being an effective speaker (as seen by many of us in Jantar Mantar). Pravesh Ranjen is a Course mate and definitely a dedicated and capable person. There are many others in the IESM Core Group who are contributing in their own ways (e.g. Cdr Sharan Ahuja with his enrollment drives and Brig Kamboj, a definitely very capable and selfless person). With a team like this we cannot go wrong. It is indeed very petty on the part of some to ascribe motives to them for having issued the voting advisory for `political reasons’.

I feel we should continue to have FULL faith in our IESM Core Group and ask them to lead in the battle for OROP.

With best wishes,

Manjeet Sodhi
Col (Retd) (Signals)

Views by Veteran Inderjit Kashyap

From: Inderjit Kashyap inderjitka@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - IESM SITREP FOR 15 MAY 09 - EMAIL 410/2009 - 16 MAY 09 - (H to L)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Saturday, 16 May, 2009, 10:39 PM
Dear Friends,
1. The election results are out & the new dispensation, headed once again by Dr Manmohan Singh will assume office the coming week. IESM has to work on its strategy in real earnest all over again & as has been written by many a Veteran, Unity amongst all ESMs should take Centre Stage & receive the Priority it deserves.
2. In today's mails one informed of another ESM organisation has informed of its existence & working so efforts for Unity with it too have to be made.
With regards,
Sincerely,
Inderjit Kashyap

Views by Col Bipin Pandey usa

From: Bipin Pandey bipincp@yahoo.com
Subject: OROP
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 11:15 AM
Dear Brig Kamboj,

The mature decisions taken by IESM on various issues, taking OROP to ESM fraternity in every nook and corner of the country, giving it the shape of a nation wide movement, making the political class notice the movement and election advisory have all been to the least very laudable and commendable effort. IESM core group deserve KUDOS.

There will be several "I siad so" class of people. There always were and there will always be. Ignoring them will be the best policy for IESM. The objective is OROP. We must do everything possible (all well meaning measures) to achieve the objective. The measures can be political or apolitical or both. Therefore, the debate on "POLITICAL" or "APOLITICAL" also must cease. If we have to be POLITICAL to get the OROP through so be it.

Best Regards,

Col Bipin Pandey
New Jersey, USA

Views by Lt Gen HB Kala

From: H B Kala

To: Kamboj Chander

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:04 AM
Subject: IESM Agenda

Dear Friends,,
I am somewhat dismayed that many amongst us see the support to BJP as myopic strategy on the part of IESM. Nothing could be farther from truth. To begin with, IESM had nothing against Congress. In fact, initially we had all placed high hopes on the Governmant. It it is only when all our just conditions (not demands) were disdainfully spurned by the politician--bureaucracy nexus that disillusionment against the Government began to set in. And when BJP repeatedly assured us that it would look into our demands expeditiously, it was natural for us to take a pro-BJP stand.So, no one need be apologetic about the past. Yes, we should desist from letting our emotions get the better of our rational judgement.
Let us also not harbour any grudge against the government in power. BJP's defeat is not our defeat. I am certain that the Congress government will also like to make amends to the injustice meted out to us till now. So let us give it a chance and also let us give it time to settle down before resuming the 'dialogue' . It will also be unwise to consider BJP as a spent force. It still has veritable presence in the Parliament and it can effectively take up our cause. So it is time to revise our strategy.
Finally, I would like to request some of my colleagues not to use "Report My Signal" as a platform to settle personal scores and use disparaging language bordering on the abusive.I was very pained when one of the very senior Naval officers was thus castigated for differing with our view on the issue of OROP. I also do not agree with him. But there are more civilised and moderate ways of airing our views.
So, nothing is lost. We msut continue our struggle till we attain our aims.The IESM leadership is doing a fine job and they need our support.
In the end, my salute to my long-time friend Chander Kamboj for devoting all his energies, time and resources to our cause.
Regards
Hira Kala
(Lt Gen HB Kala, Former Army Commander)
(Thank you General Kala for your strong support and kind words. – Chander Kamboj

Views by Hony Lt Pandey

From: Kameshwar Pandey pandeykameshwar@gmail.com

Subject: PBOR reaction to the out IESM SITREP dated May 17, 09.

To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in

Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 9:52 PM
Dear Kamboj Sir,

The ISEM SITREP dated May 17, 09 was a fitting response by Gen Kadyan to the political or apolitical debate fueled by the short term vision of many ESM inside and outside IESM. I gracefully and respectfully welcome and endorse the announcements made by the general in the said email message.

As Gen Kadyan mentions, we are not for or against an individual person, a government or any agency. Our only mandate and our only objective is the grant of OPOP for all arms all ranks. The question has never been weather we support BJP or Congress or any party for that matter. We are with every person or party or institution that supports OROP. The converse is, quite obviously, also true.

As the general mentions, there is no stopping us till OROP is granted. One way or another, we will get there.

Thank you.

Yours truly,

Kameshwar Pandey

Sub/Maj Hony. Lt. (Retd.)

Views by Col Ram Gulrajani

From: Ram Gulrajani ramgulrajani@gmail.com

Subject: Thank You Lt Col Gulrajani RJ for registering with IESM.

To: "IESM Raj Kadyan Lt Gen" rajkadyan@yahoo.com

Cc: "IESM Satbir Singh Maj Gen" satbirsm@yahoo.com , "IESM Kamboj CS, Brig" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 10:48 PM
Dear General

Thank you for the message from your Executive Committee.

I wish to assure you that your advisory was correct in the circumstances prevailing at that time. There is no need to have remorse over it now that the election results are out. In fact the present government should take cognisance of our attitude and make sure that it does not pass on to our umbilical brethren still in service. Its not for us to do any introspection. The Congress party and its supporters must do so if they wish to correct the injustice meted out to ESM on the advise of babus. In the meantime we must make politicians and babus understand and realise that we are not a spent force. After giving them reasonable time to settle in their new garb, we must renew our demand more vigorously.

In the meantime every effort must be made to enrol more members and open channels with other ESM organisations. Nothing wrong in exploring possibilities of a confederation of all ESM organisations. Finally, it is unity among ESM that will carry the message more effectively.

Veteran Ram Gulrajani
Chennai.

Monday, May 18, 2009

Cdr Ak Khanna views on IESM and Congress win

from Ashwani Khanna

to sharans ahuja

dateMon, May 18, 2009 at 4:09 AM
subject RE: IESM: Chairman's Desk- battle for OROP by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan

All is not lost. In fact, nothing is lost by us in view of congress victory. We need to recall the interview by Karan Thappar on the CNBC. Congress spokesman had categorically stated that his party will definitely do something on OROP.

More over, Congress is not a chicken-hearted party. I do'nt know how & why but I am sure that the party will not take any revenge from our Organisation for trying to support BJP during elections. There is no point in crying over spilt milk now. That was a delibrate collective decision taken at that time. Congress is going to be more magnamous than earlier.

In fact we must re-joice the victory of the Congress as this Party will do good for the entire country not only for IESM. For a few days I feel, we had become self centered & had lost the overall interest of the country.

regards,

Ashwani K Khanna
Commander

Views by Col TN Baba / Maj Ravindran/ Wg Cdr DP Sood

From: Baba Tiruvalam tnb369@hotmail.com

Subject: Election Results and after

Date: Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 7:31 AM

The election results are out and Congress and UPA got better resulta than the other parties.

As for the ESM and the issues related to them are concerned the election results do not change the fact that the UPA Govt failed to address the genuine grievances of the Armed Forces and the ESM in a timely manner and instead showed utter insensitivity. It took more than a year of peaceful demonstration by the ESM through IESM and the heat of the elections to make the Govt realise that the issue of OROP (which they categorically said not feasible financially & legally on the floor of the Parliament) needs re-examined. This would not have been possible but for the steadfast efforts by all members of IESM particularly the unwavering leadership by Gen Kadyan and his team.

Infact we should now focus on the fact of Govt's willingness to re-examine the OROP issue and get justice for the ESM. As a member of IESM I will continue to support this cause as hithertofore till I am able to get back the Medals deposited with the President of India after getting the undiluted OROP sanctioned.

Best Regards,

Col. T N Baba (Veteran)
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From: Ravindran Major majorravi@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAILS RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS - EMAIL 415/2009 - 16 MAY 09 - (R to S)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 8:17 AM
Yes, things should be easier now though the ... (edited) ... in govt may incorporate IESL reps and give prominence to them and downplay the role of IESM, even going to the extent of casting aspersions, the community as whole can look forward to some crumbs being thrown at us. The Movement itself will have to be strengthend to finally achieve what we have aimed to achieve.

regads n bw

ravi
(Maj Ravindran)
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From: dharam sood dharamsood@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - IESM SITREP - 17 MAY 09 - EMAIL 418/2009 - 17 MAY 09 - (R to Z)
To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: rajkadyan@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 8:17 AM
decision was a combined and united step. we all must stand by it. let us not start bikering.
in any case our cause is just. a party like congress is not likely to be vindictive. so let us wait & see.

regards
wg cdr dp sood,

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Views by Lt Col Inderjit singh Gill

From: Lt Col Inderjit singh gill

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:49 AM

Subject: NEW UPA GOVT & IESM RESPONSE

Dear Brig,

With UPA returning to power, I have seen some mails from brother officers with 'I told you so' quotes in them in REPORT MY SIGNAL.

I feel, there is NO need to circulate such mails, which start chain reaction - HATE MAILS. IESM advisory was the BEST option at that time. NDA / BJP not coming to power, does not mean end of ESM issues resolution. ESM issues are NATIONAL issues and NOT related to any particular political party. Rather with UPA back in the seat, it should be able to address these issue (which are their creation) and remove anamolies much faster. Remember their rejoinders on OROP, just a few days before Punjab, Haryana, HP and J & K went to polls.

Rather BJP and LEFT should be approached to take up our case with more vigour and clarity for getting it through UPA. ESM issues are of utmost national importance and shoudl be addressed within first 100 days of MMS getting to power. Those ESMs, who are nationalists in their outlook (by virtue of siding with Congress) should come forward to help their other brothren by putting pressure on UPA.

Wishing all the best to IESM in their continued struggle for removing bias against injustice done towards 'SERVICES (incl ESM)' by 'BABUs'

Regards

Lt Col Inderjit Singh Gill, Veteran
41, Signals Vihar,
MHOW(MP)

Views by Brigadier V Mahalingam

From: Malu pattamalu@gmail.com

Date: Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 4:52 AM

Dear Brigadier Kamboj,

I am writing this mail to reassure you that your decision to issue an advisory was well intentioned and was absolutely appropriate. We need to remember that our issue was OROP and issue of an advisory was necessary at that point in time to emphasis our concern on the issue. Would keeping quiet then helped us in anyway other than projecting the ex - servicemen community as a group of naive and gutless lot? Would it not have given an impression to the entire country that we lack conviction on the issue? General Kadyan and his team needs to be commended for their efforts in bring this issue to the notice of the general public.

We now need to pursue the issue resolutely with the new Government without allowing any dilution. I have no doubt that the people of this country are with us and the Government will have no option but to concede to our demand now or a little later may be with some pressure. Perhaps it is only trade unionism that works with the Government and the politicians.

With Best Wishes and Warm Regards,

Brigadier V Mahalingam

Views by Maj Gen BS Keron

From: BS Keron keronbs@yahoo.com
Subject:

Date: Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 12:28 PM
17 May 2009
Subject : OROP Campaign Review

Dear Gen Kadyan

1. The UPA sweep in the parliamentary elections necessitates a fresh strategy and impetus to IESM OROP campaign, which you and the IESM core group and various state level reps, have sustained with utmost selflessness and sense of duty.

2. Now is the time, not for recrimination or acrimony, but to set course/ reorientate to achieving OROP, through a time bound, transparent and participative management process involving multi layered lobbying, effective projection and mobilisation of ex svcmens’ resources to achieve the objective.

3. Your mail below is encouraging to the extent that the IESM Core Gp intends to review the way fwd, hence some suggestions listed below for consideration :-
Policy review so that present system of Core Group members being weighed down by mundane tasks is avoided and system of subcommittees formed seeking volunteers from within IESM to take on various defined & structured routine tasks.
Identify ex svcmen entrepreneurs/ contacts with expertise, knowledge & wherewithal in various fields eg IT, Media & Financial management, CAs etc who can provide platform for seminars, web hosting etc to offset running costs of essential IESM functions/ activities.
Sub Committee under (eg Gen Surjeet Singh) erstwhile Chairman Army HQ Pay Commission Cell/ any other veteran who has detailed first hand knowledge/ experience of intricacies & nuances of how to put across our case for OROP to the recently formed govt committee (to formulate series of papers & presentations eg proposed OROP model-economic sustainability-foreign models- comparison bureaucrats/ PMF/ police etc-FAQs etc).
Coopting various state govt ex servicemen orgs (eg Col Malliappan heading Tamil Nadu ex svcmen cell of DMK) to synergise the OROP campaign through their respective state govts which have varying influence as political power centres with the govt at the Centre.
Identify retd offrs to serve as (honorary) reps of IESM for each state and such a formulated list be put on the website
Interaction with Defence & Security related think tanks/ orgs (IDSA, CPR, USI, Indian Defence Review etc) to mobilise their publications as platforms to keep the issue alive and reach out to the masses.
Close interaction with MOD, MoF & Defence Accounts Dept/ FADS
Media & PR subcommittee to give the OROP to mobilise & sustain public and govt awareness. We have a host of retd Def Services/ MOD PROs (eg Col Anil Bhat at Delhi) who can be requested to flesh out this subcommittee.
Create a pool of eminent retd defence officer & PBOR experts to churn out quality aspects of OROP campaign through a series of articles/ editorials in targeted print media & to participate in TV talk shows (Karan Thapar/ Aap ki Adalat/ other prime time talk shows).
Close interaction with Service HQ to synch and synergise the campaign.
Visualise time bound program to take on various OROP campaign activities.
Identification of reasons why plethora of ex svcmens’ orgs do exist but are either non functional or non responsive to ex svcmens’ problems and insulating IESM from falling into such a state.
Formulation of code of conduct for IESM members and IESM management.

4. While I am sure that most of the suggestions above are either already structured and implemented or on the IESM "to do" list, some may be useful to acheive IESM objective.

Best wishes

BS Keron
Maj Gen Retd

Views by Brig Sukhwinder singh

From: Svipja Techno Consultants Pvt Ltd svipja@gmail.com

Subject: Re: OROP

Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 8:07 AM

Dear Sirs,

Greetings !

'Logical Way Forward' and 'Maint of Aim' suggest that we must keep nudging the UPA Govt.(Govt. of the Day) with explicit support from the NDA in the Parliament for the OROP and Other Demands of ESMs. Pressure Points need to be retained and accelerated. Methods could change now having sensitised the system.

We need NOT be apologetic in sp the NDA. Let it be a long-term alliance. No one incl UPA can ignore just and manageable demands of the ESM / Security Forces.Well, they may take more time, and fullfil them under some other name.

IESM has moved forward with this 'Vision', open sp to ESM Demands by one of the two major parties, and let it be so w/o changing sides. IESM Core Group should exert on the environment.

Anything else will be unproductive.

Fond Regards,

Sukhi
(Brig Sukhwinder Singh)

Views of Lt Col Ajay Agarwal

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From: ajay agarwal ajay_1954@yahoo.com

Subject: Our Voice will be heard now!

Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 3:38 AM

Dear Brig Kamboj,

Whatever the election outcome, now at least every one has understood that the ESM vote-bank can not be ignored. I am positive that, going forward, all political parties will more pragmatic and sincere towards armed forces - serving and retired alike.

The IESM has galvanised the ESM fraternity and the Serving soldiers alike. Kudos to the IESM leadership for remaining steadfast in this organization building.

May God help us all.
Ajay Agarwal
Lt Col (Retd)

Views By Maj SR Singh

From: shriram singh ssr.singh@gmail.com

Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 6:58 AM

Dear Sir,

We have started moving forward concerning OROP. Our fight has to continue notwithstanding the fact whether present dispensation is UPA or NDA. We are with you.


With best wishes and highest regards.

Maj SR Singh (IESM Convener Varanasi)
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Views of Lt Col MA Siddiqui

From: masdelhi@indiatimes.com

Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:03 AM

Subject: Fwd: Re: "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - IESM SITREP - 16 MAY 09 - EMAIL417/2009 - 17 MAY 09 - (R to S)

Dear All,
It is very easy to sit on the fence and watch the fun and grab an opportunity to comment .We have not fought an election and lost. There is no need to lose heart. Ours is a voluntary organisation, where the senior functionaries have put in selfless service and devoted their precious time in giving the IESM movement the desired impetus and momentum. Rather than laud their efforts, we are trying to belittle them.
The core group should no doubt meet, but only to take stock of the situation and decide the future course of action.Gen Kadyan and party we are solidly behind you and have trust and faith in your ability. After all, the UPA was never against our interest and now that they have come to power with a solid majority, I am sure they will not neglect our interest.


Sincerely,

Lt Col MA Siddiqui (New Delhi)

Future Action By Lt Gen KK Khanna...

From: kkkhanna46@yahoo.com kkkhanna46@yahoo.com

Subject: Future Action

To: rajkadyan@yahoo.com
Cc: "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 8:48 AM
Dear Sir,

Criticism with hindsight needs no great intellect. What should have been done is now irrelevant. The IESM has done what was in the best interest of the ESM. Suggest don't spend time on the "I told you..." types. When the situation appears adverse, the challenge is greater. Hence ...

Instead of handling criticism, time of the core group should be spent in working out the future course of action.

Those with genuine interest in ex servicemen will appreciate this. The others don't matter.

Hope some intellectuals are offering suggestions in this regard. I have not seen any in circulation!!

Regards.

KKK

(Lt Gen KK Khanna, Former Commandant IMA)

Views by Lt Gen YN Sharma

From: yoginder sharma yogi2g@gmail.com

Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 7:50 AM

Dear Raj,

Please accept my compliments.Your Sitrep of 17 May is very mature,your 'cause' most noble and your resolve firm. Elsewhere, I had commended you as a 'real leader and a true General'- I repeat that.

Your Team is as dedicated and truly 'missionary'.Bravo to you all; keep up the 'good fight'.

A small suggestion for you all. Listen carefully to all dissent but you don't have to react ; and never sharply. 'Argumentative Indians'(sometimes even abusive) are a reality; and an asset. A sense of humour(laced with satyr) is a better weapon of choice.

While I admire your strategic focus and 'energy', in matters of tactical choices you may stray sometimes-all efforts human can. I shall refrain from illustrating-public postmortems are infructous in combat!!! There is no harm in acknowledging that ,when it happens, and correcting course.

In the instant case there is much need for re-strategising and creative contingency planning,including phasing.Your core group is 'competent' ,but do not excl abundant wisdom outside of it.

Wish you all the best and God's choicest blessings.
Yogi
(Lt Gen YN Sharma, Former Army Cdr)

Mail from Col Thakur Singh Kaundal Independent Candidate from Mandi

From: thakur singh kaundal

Date: Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Subject: Re: IESM SITREP - 17 MAY 09 -

To: Cdr Sharan Ahuja , rajkadyan@yahoo.com, kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in


Dear Sir,

!. I had filed my nomination papers as an Indep candidate from Mandi,having got
clear instr from Gen Kadayan by tele followed by message through Brig Bhalla to not to use RRD banner .There upon I filed my papers as an INDEP. But I was approached by Congress people giving an under taking to handle all our issues.
I accordingly withdrew on 27apr09 in favour of sh Vir Bhadra Singh who has assured me that
he will ensure implementation of all the issues raised by me relating to ESM as well as local issues inter alia OROP.
It has been given a wide publicity by local media incl Tribune of 28 Apr09.
Let us therefore follow it up in right earnest,pursue it to its logical end, we have to remind the Congress the promise given by Sh.Vir Bhadra singh withwhom ,I campaigned for his success and got minimum 20,000 votes lead by ESM of Mandi .I have formely been taken into Congress Party on 27Apr09 after I withdrew my Papers.
I wish to hold A meeting with The Party High Command, any body willing to accompny me is welcome.I suggest ESM should formely nominate a delegation to be led by me to meet and discuss the matter.Incase agrred to ,liaison may be carried out with the Congress, earliest to meet the Cngress President
I am already a member of IESM however I am not getting the REPORT MY SIGNAL ,MAIL,request same be sent to me also.

Views by Col NK Balan on Lt Gen Raj Kadyan's stand on OROP

From: nkbalan col

Date: May 18, 2009 12:35 PM

Subject: MY TAKE ON "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - IESM SITREP - 17 MAY 09
To:

Hi All,

By now, some of you might have recd the following letter from Gen Kadyan.I apologise to those for whom this is a repeat.
I also take this opportunity to share with you my views on the subject .Till now, I had bridled in my impulses ; but read all the ongoing exchanges on the subject of IESM with interest. It is time I express my views too , for whatever they are worth - atleast to add to the existing cacaphony.
First of all, I think Gen Kadyan's letter ( below ) is a sane and balanced one. Many of us do shout " I told you so" . And some did differ initially with the advisory expressed by the IESM . While all of us have our reasons and opinions, I personally support the actions till date of IESM . My reasons:-
- First of all, I support it because they are fighting for a justifiable cause. Period. OROP is something that is due to the Veterans as a right - something which was and is still denied to them . The principle behind it has been agreed to by the Supreme Court too in the recent Maj Gen's case and by some of the best legal brains in the country . Now the SC stand has to be converted into a general ruling in favour of OROP. We can differ on the way fwd to achieve this- how and when legally or by any other means. But, OROP per se is a matter of getting justice from a petty minded and deaf set of Netas and Babus.It is NOT a matter of largess being given to a spl class- the exservicemen. It is realising justice which has been denied and still held back from a class of citizens- the veterans .
- I believe that the core gp which is presently guiding the IESM , is a set of dedicated soldiers who have the best interests of the Services in their heart. They may not be very well organised ( They have derth of time, space and proper man power resources)But, they are working selflessly and at great personal cost .I happen to know some of them personally. They are as dedicated to the cause as any one of us- and more than most. It will be silly and unfair to chanllenge their dedication even while we question some of their actions.
- We are basically commanders , who do not flinch from taking responsibilities and decisions. And, who should have the moral courage to stand up and own up the decisions taken- even if they have gone wrong sometimes.Since I hate the idea of sitting back comfortably in a rocking chair and criticise others who work, I refrain from criticizing the IESM - even if for argument's sake they went wrong in giving an advisory. We have seen in life that it is those who dare and venture , who commit mistakes while it is the chair- borne critics who always come up with a mistake-free slate!!.
- I think it is wrong to call IESM as pro-BJP. There were many good reasons as to why an advisory was issued in a particular manner. Yes; there can be differences of perception. But, to impute reasons of personal gains to the people who took that decision under a particular set of circumstances, is unfair. And, ungentlemanly.

- As the name implies, an advisory is just that- an advice. I am sure we all know that. Especially when it is given to a set of divergent people who have their own personal political preferences and would in any case cast their votes as per their own ideas. Now, to call such an advisory as a " Fatwah " and mock as to how it was laughed at not only by oneself but by others around , is making a total bonfire of facts , truth and common sense. I am sure noone in his right senses, will call the advisory of IESM as a " Fatwah" - unless he has that compelling urge to be on a high of " Being Different". It is time we realise that "being different " is not always the same as being special or better!!.
-One does not expect the leadership of IESM to run away from their responsibilities. They had to take certain decisions under a given set of circumstances. They did , to the best of their ability. As comrades in arms, it is for us to stand together and strengthen the hands of people who are doing something positive on behalf of us all , rather than say " I told You'. Sitting at far away Kochi, I can only project myself into their position and ask whether I would have done anything different. Even if the answer is that my decision would have been different , I will still hold the hands of IESM. Because , they as a body of volunteers, are taking actions in our best and common interests while we retain the freedom to criticize and mock them! . Talk of uneven playing fields!!.

- And, finally, just because Congress has won now, it does not make the decision of IESM any more wrong. Or for that matter, if BJP had won, it will not make the decision any more correct/ acceptable. The winning or loss of any political party is transitional. But , matters of justice have to be permanent in nature. Only time will tell us whether the new Govt will have the wisdom and statemanship to do what is correct and not fall back on old mistakes.
I feel that it is time for us all to stand together and firm behind the IESM and look for ways to get what is right . I think this is more important than anything else. More so for the PBOR. Because, with the Lt Cols also getting into PB-4, all retd offrs are now financially well placed, even if there is no end to human greed. That is a fact.So, more than anything , we owe it to our men that the concept of OROP is won.
Sorry for this long missive. But, I had to let go of my feelings. Regards,
Bala

anamoly in the Casualty awards....by Sgt C Mtuhukrishnan

Dear Sir,
The following anomaly in the rationalization of casualty awards may be
removed before implementation.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,

C.Muthukrishnan. (Veteran Sgt)
Blog: indianexserviceman.blogspot.com


ANAMOLY IN THE RATIONALIZATION OF CASUALTY AWARDS

The fundamental principle of fixing the casualty awards at the rate of 60% of the minimum of the scales of pay for all the pensioners irrespective of date of retirement has been silently shifted away in the recent order on the subject dated 4th May 2009. This is a great injustice to the families of the men who laid down their lives for the country.

The bureaucracy is playing havoc with the life of these poor widows who have lost their bread winners for the sake of the motherland. Probably they are testing our inability to negotiate on the issue with anyone in the MOD.

The MOD vide their letter No.PC1(2)/97/D(Pen/C) dated 16/05/2001 fixed the Special Family Pension in the 5th CPC as follows:-

Para 2 Special Family Pension

2. In case of pensioners in receipt of SFP as on 01.01.1996, their pension will be consolidated in terms of this Ministry’s letter No.1(2)/97/D (Pen/Services) dt.24 Nov 1997 in the first instance. The special family pension, so consolidated irrespective of the date of award, shall not be less than 60% of the minimum pay in the revised scale of pay introduced w.e.f. 01.01.96 of the rank, rank & group (in case of PBOR) held by the deceased personnel at the time of death, subject to a minimum of Rs.2550/- per month.

While issuing the orders for revising the same SFP for the 6th CPC, the contents of the order No.16(6)/2008(1)/D(Pension/Policy) MOD dt.04/05/09 have been truncated as follows:-

Para 4

Special/Liberalized Family Pension/Dependent Pension (Special)/Dependent Pension (Liberalized)

4.1 Families in receipt of SFP, Liberalized Family Pension, Dependent Pension (Special), Dependent Pension (Liberalized)/2nd life award (in respect of PBOR including NCs(E), shall draw revised family pension w.e.f. 01.01.2006 in terms of Para 4.1 of this ministry’s letter dt.11.11.08.

4.2 The amount of revised consolidated SFP, granted to the families of Armed Personnel under the circumstances prescribed under the category ‘B’ & ‘C’ of Para 4.1 of this ministry’s letter dt.31.1.2001 will be subject to a minimum of Rs.7000/- per month.

The clause “ the Special Family Pension so consolidated irrespective of the date of award shall not be less than 60% of the minimum pay in the revised scale of pay introduced w.e.f. 01.01.1996 of the rank, rank & group (in case of PBOR) held by the deceased personnel at the time of death”, which was included in the revision for the 5th CPC order in now missing in the 6th CPC orders.

The missing of this clause is a great anomaly in the rationalization of casualty pensionary awards. Because of the non-inclusion of the 60% clause for the SFP, the pensioners are losing a sizeable amount from their monthly pension.

This order should not be implemented till this anomaly is removed. The IESL, IESM and the AFA should join together and meet the Director (Pension/Policy) Mr.Harbans Singh immediately to remove anomaly.

The Secretary of RDOA while referring the anomaly on Disability pension to the MOD regarding the non-shifting of disability pension rates from slab rates to percentage rates had missed this glaring anomaly of shifting away from the 60% of the pay while rationalizing the casualty awards.

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Anamoly inn Disabiity pension ESM GRIEVANCES CELL (REGD.) by Col SS Sohi

EX-SERVICEMEN GRIEVANCES CELL (REGD.)
Lt Col SS Sohi, President


Ref: ESM/GC/09/17 Dated; 16 may 09.
To
1. Jt Secy, ESW Dept, MOD, South Block, New Delhi-11.
2. Jt COS Committee, MOD, SB, New Delhi-11.
3. Adjt Gen, IHQ of MOD, New Delhi-11.
4. Chairman, HQ IESM, # 543 Sec 23, Gurgaon-122017.

Disability Pension, Family Pension and other ESM Welfare serious Neglect/ Problems.

Sir,
1. Please ref Govt Notification dt 6/5/09 on Disability & Casualty Pension award of 6th CPC, for pre & Post 1/1/06 Defence pensioners. It’s too late & too little but shown as a big relief to pre 1/1/06 retirees, which is misleading fact & figures.

2. This order has not benefited Disability cases Pensioners financially much but also created bigger gaps between various ranks and also created disparities at each level.

(a). The increase for pre 1/1/06 retirees came after 10 yrs, is not enough compared to inflation rates, ie
i). For Officers from Rs 2600 to Rs 5880 pm for 100% disability pension, still at fixed scales.
ii). For JCOs from Rs 1900 to Rs 4300 “ “ “ “ “ “ “ “”
iii). For Other Ranks Rs 1550 to 3510 “ “ “ “ “ “ “ “”
iv). Where as civil services have been getting increase linked with their basic pay from the day one.

(b). Similarly, War Injury Disability is increased to double but not linked with basic pay drawn, like civilian. In other words, Civilians serving in peace conditions & soft locations gets much more Disability Pension than Soldiers facing bullets. And official war is not every day but such OP casualties still go on.

(c). Same way, Family & Special family Pension for soldier’s widows is fixed increase but not linked with increasing pay scales of pre 1/1/06 retirees.

3. Another serious anomaly is that of a General who retired on 31/12/05 gets Dis Pen Rs 5880 for 100% Dis but post 1/1/06 retiree General gets Rs 27000 pm. What a great disparity even after one day gap in service? Similar anomalies can be seen at each rank level. That’s why we have been demanding OROP (One Rank One Pension) to remove such anomalies.

4. The minimum Pension for soldiers have been fixed Rs 3500 pm by the 6th pay commission, is too less. Because 85% of soldiers are retired at the age of 36 to 40 yrs and they do not get reemployment/ job to meet their prime age family obligations. Hence, Ex-Servicemen are exploited & degraded to stand on gates at small wages. 70% pension formula is not suitable. Therefore, minimum Pension of a soldier must be fixed not less than Rs 7500 pm. So that Soldiers/ ESM can live with some dignity & quality life, after sacrificing so much for the nation, which a normal person cannot understand.

5. Family Pension for the Defence Widows should not be fixed at 30% of Pension (like British rule) but be allowed to keep drawing 100% Pension of her late husband. Because her social/ family obligations & problems add up much more in the absence of family head & male member in the house. She deserves much more care & economical protection (not sympathies only) in the selfish society of today. Hardly any Def widow gets her entitlements & value in the society; hence she must be richly compensated.

6. Same way, Double Pension and its double Family Pension should also be allowed to Defence Widows, because her husband has earned that second pension also for serving extra so long with that dept. This is the only/ mainly Soldiers who need to go in for 2nd career job after premature retired. Therefore, their widows should not be penalized with such anti soldier rules position.

7. A Havildar with heavy responsibilities is kept in Pay Band-1 along with class iv employees and degraded. He deserves to be placed in PB-2 as per his rank & duty to remove disparity with in forces. Same way, JCOs & Officers of the ranks of Subedar to Major, must be upgraded & placed in PB-3 as a special befitting incentive with in the forces to raise their morale. Same way, special incentive pay for the Honorary Ranks need to be introduced, immediately.

8. Therefore, now a strong UPA/ we deserve to have a strong go getter Defence Minister Like the Mr Lalu Parsad Yadav MP from Bihar. We strongly feel, that he is the only person who can make the forces stronger and more popular to provide strong Security system to the countrymen.


Your’s Sincerely,

(Lt Col SS Sohi, Retd),
President, Ex-Servicemen Grievances Cell,

Copy to;
1. HQs of IESM, IESL, AICC & MOD.


2. All Concerned.

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From: Muthu Krishnan cm_krish@yahoo.co.in
Subject:
To:
jsesw@nic.in,
cda-albd@nic.in,
jkraj46@gmail.com, rajkadyan@yahoo.com , kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, navdeepsingh.india@gmail.com
Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 6:45 AM
Dear Sir,
The following anomaly in the rationalization of casualty awards may be
removed before implementation.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,

C.Muthukrishnan. (Veteran Sgt)
Blog: indianexserviceman.blogspot.com


ANAMOLY IN THE RATIONALIZATION OF CASUALTY AWARDS

The fundamental principle of fixing the casualty awards at the rate of 60% of the minimum of the scales of pay for all the pensioners irrespective of date of retirement has been silently shifted away in the recent order on the subject dated 4th May 2009. This is a great injustice to the families of the men who laid down their lives for the country.

The bureaucracy is playing havoc with the life of these poor widows who have lost their bread winners for the sake of the motherland. Probably they are testing our inability to negotiate on the issue with anyone in the MOD.

The MOD vide their letter No.PC1(2)/97/D(Pen/C) dated 16/05/2001 fixed the Special Family Pension in the 5th CPC as follows:-

Para 2 Special Family Pension

2. In case of pensioners in receipt of SFP as on 01.01.1996, their pension will be consolidated in terms of this Ministry’s letter No.1(2)/97/D (Pen/Services) dt.24 Nov 1997 in the first instance. The special family pension, so consolidated irrespective of the date of award, shall not be less than 60% of the minimum pay in the revised scale of pay introduced w.e.f. 01.01.96 of the rank, rank & group (in case of PBOR) held by the deceased personnel at the time of death, subject to a minimum of Rs.2550/- per month.

While issuing the orders for revising the same SFP for the 6th CPC, the contents of the order No.16(6)/2008(1)/D(Pension/Policy) MOD dt.04/05/09 have been truncated as follows:-

Para 4

Special/Liberalized Family Pension/Dependent Pension (Special)/Dependent Pension (Liberalized)

4.1 Families in receipt of SFP, Liberalized Family Pension, Dependent Pension (Special), Dependent Pension (Liberalized)/2nd life award (in respect of PBOR including NCs(E), shall draw revised family pension w.e.f. 01.01.2006 in terms of Para 4.1 of this ministry’s letter dt.11.11.08.

4.2 The amount of revised consolidated SFP, granted to the families of Armed Personnel under the circumstances prescribed under the category ‘B’ & ‘C’ of Para 4.1 of this ministry’s letter dt.31.1.2001 will be subject to a minimum of Rs.7000/- per month.

The clause “ the Special Family Pension so consolidated irrespective of the date of award shall not be less than 60% of the minimum pay in the revised scale of pay introduced w.e.f. 01.01.1996 of the rank, rank & group (in case of PBOR) held by the deceased personnel at the time of death”, which was included in the revision for the 5th CPC order in now missing in the 6th CPC orders.

The missing of this clause is a great anomaly in the rationalization of casualty pensionary awards. Because of the non-inclusion of the 60% clause for the SFP, the pensioners are losing a sizeable amount from their monthly pension.

This order should not be implemented till this anomaly is removed. The IESL, IESM and the AFA should join together and meet the Director (Pension/Policy) Mr.Harbans Singh immediately to remove anomaly.

The Secretary of RDOA while referring the anomaly on Disability pension to the MOD regarding the non-shifting of disability pension rates from slab rates to percentage rates had missed this glaring anomaly of shifting away from the 60% of the pay while rationalizing the casualty awards.

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ECHS- Firm action against Erring Hospital

A prestigious private hospital in Chandigarh area has been de-listed for Cardiology related referrals due to certain unethical practices. The ECHS and AMC staff have taken firm action.

Veterans should not overlook any serious malpractices by empaneled hospitals and other medical facilities and report the same to the respective ECHS functionaries.

Lt Gen Harbhajan

Sunday, May 17, 2009

Letter to mr. Bansal , MOS by Gen Harwant Singh

From: harwant singh
To: CS Kamboj ; TRUNCATED.
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Open letter

Dear all, noted below is an open letter to Mr PK Bansal, Hon'ble Minister of State in Finanace Ministry, published in HT ( Chandigarh edition on 15 May, 2009 ).
(Lt Gen Harwant Singh, Former DCOAS)
......
My dear Mr Bansal,

you would recall my meeting you as part of a retired defence services delegation. You not only gave us a very patient hearing but appeared equally sympathetic to the cause of ex-servicemen. We pointed out the injustice done to defence services by successive Central Pay Commissions(CPCs) by repeatedly lowering their pay and status. However during that meeting our focus was on the the 6th CPC which has compounded the issue and introduced a dozen or so more anomolies adding further to the woes of defence personnel.

Subsequently in response to strong protests from the defence services headquarters, the government appointed a committee of secretaries to go into these anomolies. In the 6th CPC, the villain of the piece was the IAS officer on this commission. Now when this committee of secretaries was constituted to address the anomolies, the same IAS officer also formed part of this commiittee. Thus it became a case where the prosecuter also formed part of the jury! As an eminent lawyer it would certainly strike you as odd and contrary to all cannons of justice. As part of the government, we expected you to oppose this arrangement. Predictably instead of addressing the earlier anomolies introduced by 6th CPC, this new committee introduced some more of its own. Conspiracy and mischief in this scheme of things became palpably apparent.

In this meeting with you we pointed out the extend to which defence personnel had been disadvantaged, giving specific instances and here repeating these may be in order. 85 percent of defence personnel retire at the ages between 35 to 45 years, with more than 93 percent out of these retiring at the age of 35/36 years. So they never get upto the top end of their pay bracket. Consequently their pension works out to much less than that of their civil counter parts. A comparrison of total amount drawn in terms of pay and pension by a soldier and pay by his counter part in the civil by the time both reach the age of 60 years is Rs 33.3 lakhs more for the civil servant and this figure at age 70 is Rs 42.670 lakhs. At age 75 it is Rs 47.310 lakhs. In the case of a Havaldar, his equavalent in the civil at age 60 would get Rs 20.261 lakhs more and this figure is Rs 26.639 lakhs at age 70 and at 75 it is Rs 29.828 lakhs.In the case of a subedar these figures at ages 60, 70 and 75 years are Rs 13.979 lakhs, Rs 18.911 lakhs and Rs 21.277 lakhs repectively for the civil servant. A soldier retiring at age 35 years will live through atleast five CPCs and suffer their dispensations for retirees, whereas his counter part in the civil will not only continue to benefit from successive CPCs while still in service for an additional 25 years, but on retirement will be effected by just one CPC. Therefore, even if One Rank One Pension is granted, defence personnel will continue to suffer these gross disadvantages.

Similar figures are available for officers. The disparities are due to early retirement, delayed and extremely limited promotions in higher ranks. All these features are service imperatives. The earlier retirees have been further disadvantaged. A soldier who retired prior to 1.1.1996 will get 82 percent less pension than a soldier who retired after 1.1.2006. For a havaldar who retired prior to 1.1.96 his pension is less than a soldier who retired after 1.1. 06. Similar situation prevails in the case of officers. Only the one with severly impaired vision and or deep seated bias can miss the incongruity in this working

Now the above disparities are independent of other factors which apply to defence services only. About 15 percent of soldiers get the opportunity to live with their families for a period of 2 years in their entire service. In the case of others ( including officers ) only 40 to 50 percent of their service, they live with their families. Then there are other travails of service such as harsh living conditions in uncongenial and high altitude areas which results in approximately 5000 of them being annually boarded out on medical grounds. During the last 10 years army has lost approximately 8500 troops and 564 officers in counter-insurgency operations in the North East and j and k. During the last sixty years army has faught four wars and been continuously committed in counter insurgency operations.

Some argue that, military personnel signed for such a service and conditions there-in, so they damn well live with the consequences. But here the issue is of their repeated downgradation and not service conditions. In the case of bonded labour too there is some manner of agreement between the employer and the labour and yet such an arrangement is unacceptable in the Indian law. You would be quite familiar with Article 14 of the Indian Constitution which has something to say on this issue and to which the supreme court too, has drawn governments attention is the case of SPS Vains vs MoD etc relating to the case where bigadiers have been given more pension than maj-gens.

We expected you to take up our just cause in Parliament and with the government of which you are now an important part. There have been no media reports of your raising this issue in the parliament and the government has continued to deal an unfair hand to the defence services. Perhaps you did your best but there are other more powerful forces in the government working against India's military.

In the military loyalty is highly valued and considered intrinsic to ones character. We do not consider that it is contigent on reciprocity.

I have been in the United states for some time and would not be in Chandigarh to cast my vote, but our good wishes are with you.

( Lt-Gen ( Retd) Harwant Singh)


Mr PK Bansal
Hon'ble Minister of State.

Veterans express discontent with political system

From: VIJAY OBEROI oberoivijay@hotmail.com

Subject:

To: "CHANDER KAMBOJ" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED
Date: Saturday, 16 May, 2009, 6:34 PM
Dear All,
For information.
This report was released by the United News of India on May 14. The same has been translated into Hindi and released by UNIVarta also.
· Vijay Oberoi
(Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi, Former VCOAS)

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Veterans express discontent with political system
By Abhijit C Chandra
Bhopal, May 14 (UNI)

Even as the nation awaits with bated breath the outcome of the 15th general elections, veterans have struck a strident note of discontent with regard to the present political system and the leadership's non-comprehension of the requirements of the Indian Armed Forces.


''Perhaps a presidential system will suit us better. It need not be exactly like that of the United States, but we can evolve our own system,'' former Vice-Chief of Army Staff Lieutenant-General (Retd) Vijay Oberoi, PVSM, AVSM, VSM told UNI.


The veteran, who is also President of the War Wounded Foundation, pointed out that the greatest benefit of a presidential system would be that the elected president would be able to choose the best brains in the country to assist him in governance while elected representatives would still be there.


''We have a large number of illiterate persons who do not understand the nuances of elections. We are an emotional people, easily swayed by cosmetics and pay little attention to substance. We are a federal country, but have not given adequate autonomy to the states,'' Lt-Gen Oberoi felt.


The ex-director of the Centre for Land Warfare Studies alleged that the political leadership neither understands nor makes any effort to comprehend the requirements of the military.


''At present, there is no formalised system of having the military in the policy formulation loop. Unless this comes about we will continue to treat security with indifference and the military would continue to get marginalised. The effect on the security of the nation would be catastrophic,'' Lt-Gen Oberoi warned.


In the point-blank manner of an officer, Brigadier (Retd) Prabir Goswami, VSM told UNI, ''not until they (political leaders) spend time at the places of deployment and 'feel' the lifestyle and ethos of the uniformed, apolitical force, would they be able to make sense of it.


“The loss of a soldier's life is not given due importance.'' Wing Commander (Retd) Dinesh Bhardwaj lamented the ''insensitivity of the common man towards servicemen because of games politicians have been playing in tandem with babudom for the past 60 years.''


Lt-Gen Oberoi pointed out that the present political system was adopted as ''our earlier political leadership, being heavily influenced by the British,'' adopted the Westminster Model. ''Britain is a tiny country and in 1947 it did not have the diversity in religion, language, ethnicity, classes and castes as we have,'' he added.


Lt-Gen Oberoi alleged that the Indian political leadership was haunted by a fear that the military might seize power as has happened in certain developing countries that achieved independence soon after India.
''While such a fear could be thought to be reasonable in the first few years of our Independence, there is no logic for its continuance over six decades later and especially when the Indian Armed Forces have proved their dedication and apolitical nature by their deeds,'' he felt.

Views of Col RR Chandra

From: Col. R.R. Chandra colrrchandra@gmail.com

Subject: Congratulations

To: rajkadyan@yahoo.com, kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in

Date: Saturday, 16 May, 2009, 2:07 PM
Dear All,
Congratulations on the big Mandate Congress has got.

Now IESM can work with a Govt. with a Mandate. I had always held the view
that IESM should be APOLITICAL organisation, whether BJP or Congress in Power does not matter.

Dr. Manmohan Singh will now be a strong, sincere, honest sensible, economics wizard, Prime Minister without his hands being tied to his back. It is good for the Nation as a whole.

I am sure and confident that he will do good for the Ex-servicemen and
the Servicemen both.

The top Echelon of IESM should personally congratulate him as soon as he is installed, on behalf of all of us.


Best Regards
Col. R.R. Chandra
S-207 Greater Kailash II,
New Delhi 110048 Tel. 29215185; 9810833641

Friday, May 15, 2009

Press Release by PS Chatwal , Punjab

From: prabhjot singh prabhjot_singh0@yahoo.com

Subject: Press Release

To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in

Date: Friday, 15 May, 2009, 1:14 PM


Alarming stress level among the soldiers is root cause
of frustration in their Pre and Post Retirement life.

Press Note

Patiala – 15 May- Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh, a non-political body of ex-servicemen, has added a supplement to its memorandum dated 12-05-2009, submitted to Secretary (Ex-Servicemen Affair), S.M. Acharya to stress upon the Centre Govt. to take cognizance of the stress level among the defence forces which has resulted in to an alarming stage of suicides and fratricidal killings among the personnel below officer rank (PBORs).

Parliamentary panel appointed by the Central Govt. has already apprised the Govt. in its report on 'Stress Management in the Armed Forces' tabled in the Lok Sabha in the recent past, about this fact giving a figure of 635 suicides & attempted suicides and 67 fratricidal killings in the past five years. League finds that the root cause behind this trend is lack of promotion among the PBORs.

Govt. has earlier taken step to assure career progression among the lower and middle rung officers by adopting the suggestive measures of reduction of age profile of these officers, recommended by the Ajay Vikram Singh Committee and made provision of promotion up to Colonel Rank with in 15 years of service.

League has suggested the committee headed by S.M. Acharya to recommend assured promotion among the PBORs up to JCO level in a period of 15 years of service as in the case of officers. At present, most of the PBORs retire in the rank of Hav. without being promoted as JCOs before the age of 40. This is certainly going to overcome the stress level among the PBORs during pre and post retirement period.

The league has made an other point to be considered by the committee to overcome the mounting unrest among the ex-servicemen. The additional conditions imposed by the Ministry of Defence on the post retirement canteen benefits granted to PBORs. As per the present policy in this respect, a short service commission officer, with 5 to 7 years of service and no pension, can purchase a car of any capacity, after a gap of every two years, from CSD canteen where as PBORs who have been doled out this facility recently, can purchase the car only up to 1300CC after a gap of 7 years if they have served for 15 years and draw service pension. Such discriminatory conditions imposed, without any justification, make the things worse and cause grave frustration among the lower ranking soldiers who are in fact the backbone of the defence forces.

The league is planning to conduct a seminar to elicit the learned views of think -tank of defence forces very soon on this aspect in which persons from civil, qualified in various fields of social sciences, will also be invited.


Sgt. Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.
President.
Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh .
Mob. 98554-09128.

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ECHS: Meerut rated efficient

Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 7:13 PM

On the blog Report My Signal I read couple of reports on functioning of ECHS, I have following comments to offer regarding Meerut:

ECHS at Meerut has been functioning very efficiently, there are sufficient no. of doctors and specialist available, all good nursing homes and hospitals are on panel including diagonostic centres. Local Specialists are also on the panel. Polyclinic doctors would ask you to whom you would like to be referred to, they are polite and courteous.
The only bottleneck point is issue of medicines. There are long lines for receiving medicines specially PBORs. As far as Corruption is concerned, we are bound to be falling prey, because that element is in built in our character, but officers must be watchful while dealing with empanneled nursing homes/ hospitals.
Link to earlier posts

ECHS: Tirunelveli rated exemplary

Thanks to the well organized ex-servicemen welfare association named ‘Tirunelveli District Ex-servicemen Welfare Association’, which played a vital role in creating awareness among the ex-servicemen. The Association immediately conducted meetings and released a guide book on ECHS in Tamil and also arranged to publish the scheme in a leading Tamil daily for one month.

The Station HQ. Thiruvananthapuram, arranged monthly visit to this place for enrolling members in the scheme. The Association helped a lot in filling up the ECHS application and enabled them to join the scheme without delay.

The arrival of Col S Victor (Retd) as the first O i/c Polyclinic enabled the formation of the ECHS clinic smoothly. The dedication and hard work put in by Col S Victor can always be remembered and rewarded. An exemplary leadership and initiative taken by this well disciplined & self contended Colonel during initial days enabled the blue print of the ECHS scheme into a reality.

Lot many criticisms are being aired about the scheme here and there. As a social activist, and as a well wisher of the veteran community, I feel it is my moral duty to express my opinion about the functioning of this ECHS Polyclinic at this centre, at this juncture. The success or failure of any scheme is mainly in the hands of the men who manage it. The amount of hard work, dedication & honesty put in towards any organization will always be rewarded if not immediately, but definitely one day. In that context, the o i/c Polyclinic of Tirunelveli ECHS had proved that it is the man behind who matters than anything else for the success or otherwise.

The ECHS Polyclinic at Tirunelveli is functioning efficiently. This is a ‘C’ type Polyclinic raised on 01.04.2004 with 70 members initially. As on 01.05.2009, the membership had increased to 3050 with 5924 dependents thus making a total of 8974.

The average OPD cases attended about 105 by two Medical Officers only. The Post of a Specialist Medical Officer is vacant.(MD) for some time. In the event of the non-availability of MD, additional Medical Officers may be posted.

About 300 referals are made in a month to ‘Shifa Clinic’ which is the only empanelled hospital locally for the past 5 years. Recently one more hospital named ‘Galaxy’ has been empanelled. Major referral cases are made to Chennai and Nagercoil. So far around 35 major heart surgeries, two knee replacement surgeries have been done through this clinic. Emergency dialysis cases are attended locally. Regular dialysis cases are attended at Nagercoil with 2 sessions per week for one month at a time. Seven hearing aids have been purchased at a cost of Rs.55,600 and given to the members. As the membership grows, so the payment to the empanelled hospitals also increases. The payment to the empanelled hospitals in the year 2005-06 was Rs 11 lakhs, this has increased to 46 lakhs now. By and large the patients are satisfied and they are really proud of having such a good clinic at this centre. Procurement of medicine through DGLP is sufficient and members are satisfied. The Station HQ Thiruvananthapuram is giving all help to this clinic.

On behalf of the ex-servicemen and their families I thank the o i/c ECHS Polyclinic Tirunelveli and its staff (including the Medical Officers) and the Station HQ Thiruvananthapuram for providing good service to the ex-servicemen community and I request them to continue the same.

--Posted By Muthukrishnan to indianexserviceman at 5/16/2009

Thursday, May 14, 2009

Point of View by Maj gen VK Bhaskar

From: vk.bhaskar@jalindia.co.in

Subject: Point of View

To: vkbhaskar18@yahoo.com

Date: Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 10:38 AM



Soldiers in India have rebelled either when there was a perception that their religion is under threat or they changed sides whenever they were poorly paid or not paid in time .
Examples 1857 War of Independence &Reaction of Sikh Troops in 1984
And there are numerous instances of troops along with their leaders changing sides to go over to British due to inducement of monetary gains

British ensured regular and good pay and perks and status in the society for the Armed Forces. G O I is busy in undoing all this,which has caused and is causing dissatisfaction amongst rank and file both serving and ex servicemen.

Vijay

TOI and Congress to reconcile...OROP news

From: kiran krishan

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:36 AM

Subject: FW: PADINALE RE WE READING CORRECTLY ?

(extract from Maj Navdeeps weblog)

(Brig Kiran Krishan, Convener IESM Panchkula, kkrishan123@gmail.com )

...........
Are we reading correctly ???


Times of India reports here that faced with a query from the Election Commission, cabinet secretary K M Chandrasekhar has now denied that the government has constituted any special committee for the purpose of examining ‘parity in pensions’ of defence personnel. TOI further adds that the government obviously has backtracked in face of the danger of being pulled up for violating the model code of conduct by announcing the decision bang in the middle of elections.

But here is a Congress Advertisement issued by the party on Page 12 of Punjab Kesari today and as we can all see here, it clearly talks of setting up of the ibid committee. Kindly also note that the said advertisement also directly talks not of any vague concept of ‘parity in pensions’ but unambiguously of ‘One Rank – One Pension’ in no uncertain terms.

TOI and Congress, please reconcile. Is there a catch somewhere, or is there something we are missing here ??? :-)

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ECHS - CHANDIGARH

The experience in Chandigarh is that the ECHS is working very well. May be those looking after the Polyclinic here are more efficient and empathize with the Veterans!! The famous saying THERE ARE NO GOOD OR BAD UNITS BUT ONLY GOOD OR BAD OFFICERS, holds good for Polyclinics also!!

There are many cases of wrong and inflated billing as also unethical actions by some empaneled hospitals, including the best in the area!! Officers who approve these bills have found many glaring anomalies.

There are also many cases where the Hospitals concerned have delayed submission of bills by 2-3 months!! In such cases delays will take place. Some of these hospitals have hired Army Medical Corps/ other retired officers and tasked them to get the bills passed expeditiously. By and large, bills are being cleared in time.

While we must try and get the best possible medical aid thru ECHS, we should also look at the positive side of the Scheme. There are cases where Rs 20 Lakhs or so have been spent on treatment of a single patient!!

We have to watch out and guard against unethical actions by the empaneled hospitals like, unnecessary tests, doing a procedure/ operations which are not required/ necessary, not treating ECHS patients at par with other patients etc. We should bring such cases to the notice of the ECHS authorities.

Let us have more views and specific cases which can be brought to the notice of ECHS authorities in order to improve the functioning of the scheme. Report My Signal Blog will endeavor to collate these.

Lt Gen Harbhajan Singh (Retd)

Brig Sukhwindar writes...
To my mind, the ECHS needs some changes. We should answer the following:
1. Why should ECHS empanelled Hospitals be given a 'free budget' to treat patients? We need to lay down expenses per patient in the days of technology when 'all parts of the body can be replaced'. No one wants to leave this world healthy.
2. Once a patient has exhausted his 'limit', he should take treatment from Military Hospitals incl R & R.
3. Our Military Hospitals can treat dependants of the Serving Personnel, but NOT the ESMs. 'Use and throw' attitude does not go very well in any management philosophy. I can't understand this logic either.
4. AGI could consider mediclaim policies for personnel after they have exhausted their limits set for ECHS, with 50% paid by the ESMs. We could prevail on the insurance companies for this, and invest with them if not already being done.

Unless we set financial limits per ESM patient, and ask ESMs to share part bills once this limit is exhausted or make AGI intervene by way of mediclaim insurance, the budget allocated would never be sufficient for ECHS. And malpractices will continue- most in the chain would want to 'gain'.
Brigadier (Retired) Sukhwindar Singh
Svipja- Partners in Progress

Wednesday, May 13, 2009

Dehra Dun Meet a success by Brih HS Chaudhary

From: harcharansingh chaudhary

To: kkkhanna46@yahoo.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: ESM MEET AT DEHRADUN 11 MAY

My dear Kamal,
IESM Meet at Dehra Dun has indeed been too good. We need such meeting everywhere in India. People like Lt Gen Kadyan, Maj Gen Satbir Singh and Brig Kamboj are doing a great selfless job for ESM.
Times of India , New Delhi 12 May states that Govt has denied having made any high powered committee headed by Cabinet Secy. What a denial. Let us vote for BJP who care for ESM and has clearly stated in their Manifest.
BRIG HS CHAUDHARY

Monday, May 11, 2009

Views of Lt Gen Deepak Ajwani

From: Deepak Ajwani ajwanid@gmail.com

Subject: Tremendous Good Work by IESM

Date: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 3:08 PM

Dear Gen Raj Kadyan, all Office Bearers and Members of the Core Group, and Brig Kamboj,

Kind courtesy "Report My Signals", I have been following with interest the work carried out and progress achieved by the IESM from the very initial stage, not withstanding the hurdles on the way. Summarising my thoughts in two sentences, I have to say that :-

1. You have all put in tremendous hard work for the common cause, and achieved remarkable progress in such a short time.
2. At each step on the way, you have taken the most appropriate decision, keeping in view the best interest of veterans (in one word, OROP).

May God bless your efforts and grant you success, so that the entire veteran community benefits.

Regards,
Lt Gen (Retd) Deepak Ajwani
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From: AS Butalia (Butch) asbutalia@gmail.com
Subject: Fwd: Report My Signal
To: "REPORT MY SIGNAL(CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 7:32 PM
Dear Brig,
I have been circulating Report My Signal missives to a large No. of persons, retd & serving. I am fwd a mail received from Lt Col Nijjar appreciative of the the efforts put in by IESM. You may consider circulating it.
Best regards,
Col. A S Butalia, SM, MAeSI (Veteran)
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From: nikhil gajjar
Date: 2009/5/11
Subject: Re: Report My Signal
To: "AS Butalia (Butch)"


Dear Sir,
Ref your e-mail on the subject of date.
I am not the direct recipient, I thank you for sending me the excellent and informative mails. I appreciate the efforts made by all our senior veterans for the right and justified cause of the Veterans fraternity.

In my own way and to some extent I too am making efforts to assist the veterans and placing the right Veteran for the right job at the right value in Gujarat and Rajasthan in the corporate and Govt jobs. We believe that the Nation will only realise the value of the veterans when we have the capable and value oriented veterans in every industry at every level...it will be a force multiplier towards achieving our goals with the Govt.

I wish you and our organisation all the very best and am positive that in times the NATION will realise the value of the veterans.

Warm regards,

Lt Col (Veteran) NS Gajjar
Dir APN Ahmedabad
9327520518 / 079-22864377


--- On Mon, 11/5/09, AS Butalia (Butch) wrote:
From: AS Butalia (Butch)
Subject: Report My Signal
To:
Date: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 9:01 AM
Hi,
Please let me know if you are a direct recipient of Report My Signal as then I shall take you off my circulation list.
Best regards,
Col A S Butalia, SM, MAeSI (Veteran)

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From: RDOA India
Subject: Fwd: Anomaly 6 CPC: Disability Pension
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:33 AM
Dear Sir,
for info of environment
thanks
secy rdoa
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From: RDOA India
Date: Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Subject: Anomaly 6 CPC: Disability Pension
To: jsesw@nic.in


To
Shri SM Acharya, IAS
Secretary, Deptt of Ex Serviceman Welfare,
MOD, 198-B, South Block,
New Delhi 110011

SUB: ANOMALY 6CPC: DISABILITY PENSION
PRE & POST 2006 PENSIONERS
Dear Sir,
The Deptt of Ex-Serviceman Welfare has published the orders for revision of disability / war injury / liberalised / special family pension(s) for the officers of the armed forces and Personnel below officer rank (PBOR). Separate orders have been issued for pre-2006 and post-2006 pensioners vide their letters of 04 May & 05 May 2009 respectively.

On scrutiny of these orders it is observed that the pre-2006 pensioners have not been shifted from the flat ‘slab’ rates to the ‘percentage’ rates as had been recommended by the 6th CPC. Only post 01st January 2006 retirees have been granted the benefit of percentage based system.

It is an anomaly and gross injustice to the armed forces and pre 2006 retirees which needs correction /to be addressed. Extract of orders are as given.

Post-2006 orders in brief

Disability Element (DE) to be granted @ 30% of basic emoluments for 100% disability proportionately decreased for lesser disability. Basic emoluments to include basic pay, grade pay and MSP and NPA if applicable. DE shall be subject to a minimum of Rs 3100 for 100% disability.

In case disability is above 60%, the total disability pension shall not be less than 60% of emoluments last drawn subject to a minimum of Rs 7000.

War Injury element for 100% disability shall be paid equal to total emoluments last drawn proportionately decreased for lesser percentage of disability. This war injury element is to be paid in addition to the service element (service pension).

Constant Attendance Allowance notified @ Rs 3000 per month.

Special Family Pension shall now be subject to a minimum of Rs 7000 per month.
Pre-2006 orders in brief

For 100% disability, the rates of disability element stand increased to the following :

Officers : Rs 5880 (Rs 11670 for War Injury element)

JCOs : Rs 4300 (Rs 8600 for WIE)

Other Ranks : Rs 3510 (Rs 7020 for WIE)

Constant Attendance Allowance increased to Rs 3000 per month.

Special Family and Liberalised Family Pension shall be subject to a minimum of Rs 7000 per month.

Observations

It is not understood as to why pre-06 pensioners have not been put on the percentage based system recommended by the 6th CPC as has been accepted for post-06 pensioners. While recommending the new system of calculation (as was in force earlier for civilians), the 6th CPC had nowhere stated that it shall only be applicable to post-06 pensioners.

A General who retires on 31 Dec 2005 with 100% disability is now entitled to a fixed amount of Rs 5880 as disability element while an officer of the same rank with the same disability for the same injury or disease who retires a day later on 01 Jan 2006 is entitled to a disability element of Rs 27000.

In addition to disability element, officers are entitled to service element (service pension). There is already a huge gap in the pension of pre and post 2006 retirees which will further increase with the addition of disability pension there by creating a huge space between the total package of disability pensioners while the disability / suffering remains the same.

Some varying examples of disability element rates for pre and post-2006 pensioners :
(Service element / pension is at applicable pre/post-06 rates is admissible in addition to disability element)

Disability element of a pre-01-01-06 freshly commissioned Lieutenant who got disabled : Rs 5880
Disability element of a post-01-01-06 freshly commissioned Lieutenant who gets disabled : Rs 8100

Disability element of a pre-01-01-06 freshly promoted Lt Col who got disabled : Rs 5880
Disability element of a post-01-01-06 freshly promoted Lt Col who gets disabled : Rs 15759
Disability element of a pre-01-01-06 Colonel who was at the end of scale at the time of retirement : Rs 5880
Disability element of a post-01-01-06 Colonel who is at the end of scale at the time of retirement : Rs 24510

Disability element of a pre-01-01-06 General : Rs 5880
Disability element of a post-01-01-06 General : Rs 27000

It is earnestly requested that the Committee set up to look into the aspect of 6 CPC anomalies for Defence pensioners takes note of this glaring anomaly and resolves this issue at the earliest.

Thanking you,
With warm regards,

Yours sincerely
Lt Col Satwant Singh (Retd),
Secretary,
For RDOA
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From: Prem Gaba premgaba@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: ADVISORY BY IESM
To: hesl_rksgulia@sify.com (Brig RKS Gulia)
Date: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 4:20 PM
Dear RK (Brig RKS Gulia, President IESL),

The long list of achievements circulated by you to the course & other ESMs speaks volumes of ISL achievements .

But now , as far as 'Mission OROP' is concerned IESM has reached very close to the goal under the able leadership of Gen Raj Kadyan & his core team.

I am saying so because yesterday, Narender Modi has declared ( besides in their manifesto) on the NDA satage in Ludhiana that OROP demannd WILL be positively implemented if NDA comes to power. Thereafter, L K Advani said that Defence personnel & the def eqpt were on top of their agendas.You too might have watched it on TV

As you are aware UPA Govt has ordered (in the midst of elections) for a committee under cabinet secy to 'reduce' the gap between pensions.But the IESM has bid for "removal" of the gap & not reduction.Today Gen Kadayan has repeated his stand that there will be no dilution in our demand.

As I understand , this Committee is trying to incl some ESM orgs other than IESM & make them agree on diluted OROP. We all need to beware of this game plan . Irrespective of the UPA or NDA Govt ,this babudom is going to be there only .

My request to you as an EME , Degree & IMA Course mate is to see that we as ESM brethern donot fall into their trap of Divide & Rule. Pl keep all the past differences & egos & help achieve the aim.Pl give your unconditional support to this wider cause of ESM ,especially for the old & aged PBORs, who are living on a meagre pension.

With best wishes

Prem Gaba
(Lt Col Prem Kumar Gaba, Noida)