Views of veteran Nawab

Dear Col Gill,

I personally appreciate your concern and compassion for ESM.We need more and more senior Veterans like you who are bold,truthful and concerned on disunity.

I am sure there have been mistakes from both sides,though i have no complain on Brig kamboj,s blog who has tried to render impartial service.

Can we once again request all ESM to unite and forget any wrong happened in the past.

We can both request all like minded veterans to project their voice.
Regards,
Nawab - a Veteran

Views of Col Raman on Medals return..25 Oct 2009

From: ramantn sarma colram40@yahoo.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED ;

Sent: Sun, 25 October, 2009 10:28:03 PM
Subject: Re: [indianveterans] ESM sitrep 25 Oct evening
Dear General Raj Kadyan,

Kindly accept our congratulations for implementing the programme of depositing the medals today, even at the cost of some negative publicity indulged in by some of our own "Well Wishers".

I do not know whether the Delhi based TV Channels covered the event live or not. But the DMK sponsored Sun TV gave adequate coverage to your talk & a few of the other Veterans, in their 7 PM as well as 8 PM news today.
Well done. It will be a great morale booster to the IESM as well as the ESM community at large.
Best Wishes,

Veteran Raman

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From: prabhjot singh prabhjot_singh0@yahoo.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Fri, 23 October, 2009 1:47:17 PM
Subject: Repot my signal
Dear Veteran (Brig.) Kamboj,
Regards.Find below a copy of our communique faxed to authorities regarding OROP for underprivileged veterans. Please post the same on 'Repot my Signal' blog,if you deem it fit, for the information of underprivileged veterans. I shall be obliged.

Veteran Prabhjot Singh chhatwal PLS Retd.
President,
Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh,
Mob.098554-09128,Tele-Fax.0175-5000896.

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Tele-Fax 0175-5000896
Mob.098554-09128

INDIAN EX-SERVICES LEAGUE
PUNJAB & CHANDIGARH
(Regd. under Societies Registration Act XXI of 1860)

3-GURU RAM DASS NAGAR, PATIALA, PUNJAB -147 004
IESL/13/2009 Dt. 23 Oct.2009

To
6th Pay Commission Cell (Army),
Adjutant General Branch,
Room No. 1, 'A' Wing, Sena Bhawan,
Integrated Hq. of MoD (Army),
New Delhi -110 105.

Sub. POST SIXTH CPC DEMANDS

Dear Col. Puneet Kapoor,

1. Please refer to your DO letter C/7086/VI-PCC ( Army ) dt.02.09.2009 in above connection.
2. Please advise the latest position of OROP as announced by the Govt in budget on 06-07- 2009.
3. We further request Ministry of Defence to restrict usage of nasty term ' PBOR' for JCOs, SNCOs, NCOs and other ranks as this section of veterans think it as most humiliating when addressed as such. Some other proper and respectable term may be coined as a substitute to this term.

An early response will be highly appreciated.

Sd/-
( Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.)
President.

Copy to: PCDA (P) Allhabad w,r.t. their letter No. Gts/Tech/165III
dt. 29 .09.2009. &nb sp;
Sd/-
President

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From: colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
To: sadhusohi@gmail.com
Subject: RE: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:37:44 -0700
Dear Col Sohi,
It’s counter-productive… Perhaps the better way would be to build your NGO on positive note by lending hands to those who are working for the welfare of ESM including OROP demand. In case your group feel depositing medals is not a good idea then don’t do it. But, flashing mail to all and everyone showing dissension isn’t in good taste. I may, if you will, mention that for reasons’ best known to you all, if reconciliation through a dialogue is not possible, you may consider arbitration to resolve the hurting issues. As a responsible ESM community, let’s not give a chance to others’ to laugh at us.
May I humbly request you to take this mail on its face value and not try to read in between the lines and interpret to counter my email for the sake of shooting me down? My interjection is only prompted by a feeling of brotherhood…
May God Bless you!
Warm regards,
Sincerely,
Viru Swarup
(Col Virendra Swarup is from Poona Horse. Commanded 44 Armored Regiment. The last appointment held before he got invalidated out of military service was MS, HQ 10 Corps. In one of the freak accident he lost his eye sight. A soldier with great courage and determination, making best of the life. - Chander Kamboj)
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From: bhupal singh bsec234@hotmail.com
To: Col Sohi SS sadhusohi@gmail.com
Cc: Col Swarup Viru colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
Sent: Sat, 24 October, 2009 11:52:15 AM
Subject: FW: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon

Dear All,

I appreciate the sound and brotherly advice cum suggestions of Col Swarup. We shall make ourselves a laughing stock of Govt ( politicians ), bureaucracy and others. Our sites are constantly monitored by all those who matter and they know exactly as to what is
transpiring over our blogs.
IESM has become a formiddable movement in its own right and it has instilled a feeling of confidence amongst us all. Disunity at this stage will result in a fragmented ESM Movement and our mission will remain a myth for ever. You are all experienced, wise and competent leaders of our Movement in your own way. Let us all join hands and take it forward instead of killing it half way. As reagrds your differences, I also feel that the course suggested by Col Swarup is the right way.
I assume, you will give a re-think to your ideas and adopt a course favourable to a joint movement, since our individual efforts will not bear the results.
With regards & best wishes to all of you,

Bhupal Singh, veteran
Australia
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From: generalhoon generalhoon@yahoo.com
Subject:


To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED,

Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 12:58 PM
Dear All,
Latest interview Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM available on net www.therkbshow.com if interested you may browse the site.

Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM


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From: Krishan K Punchhi kkpunchhi@yahoo.ca
To: DELETED
Sent: Thu, 22 October, 2009 9:12:46 PM
Subject: ADMIRAL MEHTA AND NEW ZEALAND
Dear Friends,

Appointment of Admiral Mehta to NZ seems to have generated a heated and healthy debate. Allow me to talk about two personalities.

First one is Gen Raina. Someone told me that he too headed an Indian mission abroad after he retired. Friends have mentioned many names but not his. Thought I'll point it out.

I wonder how many know that before imposing emergency, IG proposed to him that he declare and impose martial law, get everything under control and working smoothly as per her desires, and then hand over the country back to her. He just refused, saying that there was no call for martial law to be imposed and also that it was better not to have the armed forces meddling in politics. She was surprised and disappointed as she thought that the two will click well on a Kashmiri net !! This info came my way only a couple of weeks ago. The source is totally reliable.

The second is Admiral Ronnie Periera. A friend pointed out that he was left out because he stood up to IG and was about to be sacked. He said that 'better sense' prevailed and he was not sacked. My info says that the next man, VADM Barboza, was asked to come to New Delhi in a BSF plane and take over. He just refused to do so. Is that why he was not made the next CNS ?
He refused to do to Ronnie Periera what Sushil Kumar did to Vishnu Bhagwat a few years later !!

Regards............K K Punchhi

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From: vpsachar@vsnl.net [mailto:vpsachar@vsnl.net]
Sent: 26 October 2009 06:18
To: Kamboj Chander; indianveterans@yahoogroups.com
Cc: indianveterans@yahoogroups.com; sacharv@ymail.com
Subject: Re: ESM SITREP 25 OCT 09 - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 732/2009 - 25 OCT 09(H to Z)

God bless all and wishing a speedy recovery to Maj DC Gupta.
THE BEST AND MOST TOUCHY E-MAIL ON HUMAN RELATIONS BY THE VETETANS.

Regards to all.
VPS
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From: Lt Col Inderjit singh gill isgill@rediffmail.com

To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED;
Sent: Mon, 26 October, 2009 10:43:32 AM
Subject: Re: Navdeep's Blog : TELEPHONE REIMBURSEMENT

Dear All,

Going through Major Navdeep Singh's Blog (thanks to Capt Reet), I found mention of "Office Memorandum" of Govt of India, Ministry of Finance, Dept of Expenditure dated 14 Nov, 2007 regading REIMBURSEMENT of telephone / mobile charges to Central Govt officers (incl Services).

Having served in SIGNALS for 23 years, I am certain that ARMY (rather SERVICES) would have not told its people about this entitlement even in 2009 !! Do we balme BABU for this.

May I request through this email to put wise our friends in Uniform about it so that draw what their civil counterparts are drawing.

Warm Regards
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THE END

Views on OROP by Wg.Cdr.S.P.Choudhary,

From: S.P.Choudhary [mailto:spc3@airtelmail.in]
Sent: 25 October 2009 08:23
To: Kamboj Chander
Cc: Arjun Verma
Subject: Re: EMAIL FROM VICE CHAIRMAN IESM - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 728/2009 - 24 OCT 09 (A to G)

Respected Leadership of ESMs,

Nothing at all is going to come out of our 'Cry in the wilderness ' for OROP or any other demands for the simple reason that it is not some thing that will hurt the adversary. No one ever cares to responds for altruistic reasons. Some response could have been expected before Parliamentary Elections. Now that the Parliamentary Elections are over, no one cares for our voice, campaign etc.

Just recall that a single Col. Bhonsala ( I apologize if I am not quoting his name correctly ) the leader of GUJJAR agitation, shook the entire State Govt. and also the country. We now have hundreds of Cols , right up to Generals, but we have hardly been able to get worth while reaction.

For every Campaign one has to employ a suitable strategy. That has to be devised on study and analysis of 'Strength and Weakness of our own and also that of the adversary. Our insistence on following our old Military Ethos when we are no more in Military, is only due to our FEAR of legal action by the Govt. and it is not an objective Strategy which, has to be devised on consideration of the adversary ( the enemy ) and the one which will hit or hurt the enemy, sufficiently. Once the Elections are over, no one is bothered about our whining.

What we thought of as a very potent weapon of returning our DEAR MEDALS, has fallen flat, whether we admit it or not.

All decisions, ultimately are by the politicians. Babus are their foot soldiers and modify their approach on the lines their political bosses are likely to listen to.

Our so called agitation did bring some response before elections and then also more due to pressure of the Serving Commanders.

So, unless we can re-orientate our approach, we should suspend all actions,because in the present form even the civilian population is getting wary of our noise, and in due course we will loose not only their sympathy but also their respect.

Yours etc,
Wg.Cdr.S.P.Choudhary, VSM (Retd.)

Views of Air Cmde Raghubir Singh from Pune

Dear Sir

I think one of the key demands apart from OROP should be to have constituency for the

ESM's much like Graduate constituency to look after the interests of the ESM's which

successive governments have failed to do so. Till such time Govt may like

to nominate two ESM's one Retd Gen rank( Maj Gen-Gen eqv) & one JCO eqv to

the Rajya Sabha. Difficult? No harm in trying

Air Cmde Raghubir Singh (Retd)

Mails to editors bt Lt Col Bm Thapa for return of medals

From: Brij Mohan Thapa

To: aaaaa Amar Ujala
Sent: Sat, 24 October, 2009 4:46:23 PM

Subject: Depositing of Medals on 25 Oct 2009‏ By Ex-Servicemen To President of India


Dear Editor,
Kindly arrange to publish the following important news and press release of welfare of 23 lakhs retired Ex-Servicemen of India who have already deposited 20000 medals to the President of India and now on 25 Oct 09 at 3 pm again depositing medals to the President of India please.

Lt Col B M Thapa, Veteran, Member IESM, gen Secy DESL

Depositing of Medals on 25 Oct 2009‏ By Ex-Servicemen To President of India

Dear Veterans,

1. The Govt continues to ignore the grant of One Rank One Pension demand of Ex Servicemen (ESM). The Prime Minister in his speech at Red Fort on 15 Aug 09 had stated that pensions of JCOs and other ranks have been enhanced. Even, these orders have not yet been issued by the Govt. Why there should be so much delay? Is it that bureaucracy with intent to harass the Ex Servicemen is causing hurdles in issuing the necessary orders? The Ex Servicemen are very angry and hurt on this attitude of the Govt.

2. Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) an Umbrella Organisation of all ESM of India has been carrying out the crusade against the Injustice to the Defence Forces. It has been able to focus the issues concerning the Defence Personnel and had put up four demands to the Govt as under:-

· One Rank One Pension (OROP).

· Assured Second Career for all Defence Personnel till the age of 60 years through the Act of Parliament.

· Ex Servicemen Commission with all members from Ex-Servicemen and widows.

· All future commissions / committees concerning ESM must have member from ESM.

3. Currently various options as under are being exercised to get our demands met by the Govt.

· Approaching PM & RM again, bringing out the inadequacies of Cab Secy Committee recommendations regarding OROP.

· Seeking audience with the President.

· Approaching all MPs to take up the cause of Defence Personnel to get our demand of OROP sanctioned by the Govt. Requesting them to raise the issue in the Parliament.

· Approaching media, both Print and Electronic to give due coverge to the cause of Defence Force to get the support of people of India.

· Asking our brethren veterans who have flare for writing to write articles and get these published through various media means.

· Organising Rallies in support of our cause in various parts of the country.

· Organising various events during Kargil and Vijay Diwas focusing the contributions of Defence Forces towards the Nation.

· When the Govt continued to ignore our demands inspite of our continued efforts through meetings with various Govt functionaries, inorder to express our anguish and hurt feelings, depositing our hard earned Medals with the President. 20000 medals on four different occasions have already been deposited. This is one method which has caused some concern in the Govt circles. The same was evident from the statement of RRM in the Parliament that “Since the demand of OROP has been met for JCOs and ORs (infact not met), ESM are requested to take back their medals”. Keeping this in mind IESM is depositing the medals once again with the President on 25Oct 09 ie tomorrow at 3 PM. The medals are being collected at Jantar Mantar between 10 AM to 2 PM.


· Exercising legal option. All preliminary work has been carried out including engaging the most suitable advocate who had fought the case of Pre 96 Major Generals and won.

· Intensifying the protest Movement through yatras, dharanas and other peaceful and dignified means within the democratic norms and discipline.

4. Dear Friends, during our service we have learnt the principles of any dynamic struggle ie concentration of Force, (implying the “Unity and collective Wisdom” of all ESM) & Maintenance of Movement (graduated upgradation of intensity of the Movement in quality, quantity and volume). It is here we seek your cooperation. We request you to join the Movement by becoming its member and those ESM who have not yet deposited medals, volunteering to deposit medals tomorrow at Jantar Mantar between 10 AM to 2 PM. Medals can also be deposited at the IESM HQ Office at 543 Sector 23 Gurgaon (Hr.)

5. This is the time to show Unity and Visibility to the Govt. So kindly deposit your medals to show solidarity with the cause of Defence Forces. OROP is our most genuine and legitimate demand and we MUST get it. All past pensioners with same years of service and same rank must get the same pension irrespective of the date of retirement.

6. OROP update and Press Release are attached for your information.

“Let us join together to make the Movement successful by getting
our demands met from the Govt”

With Kind Regards,

Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,

Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570

Views by Lt Col BM Thapa

Dear Editor,

Kindly arrange to publish the following information in your news paper being most important for welfare of 23 lacs Ex-Servicemen of the country please.
Regards.

Lt Col B M Thapa, Veteran , Member Indian Ex- Services Movement, Gen Secy, Dehradun Ex-Services League


AN APPEAL FROM INDIAN EX-SERVICES MOVEMENT
Brig C S Kamboj, V S M, Veteran,(E Mail ID-kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in)
In last one year or so, if the ESM have been able to draw the attention of the public, the media and the Government of India, it is purely because of the efforts of Ex Servicemen, all supporting the IESM forcefully and some of its supporters working silently behind the scenes.
Former Chiefs of Army and Navy, who are members of IESM and are whole heartedly supporting us behind the scenes.
Some of the ESM Organisations of JCOs, NCOs and ORs have also been giving very strong support to IESM in its mission; while these ESM organisations have been independently pressurising the Government of India, they have also been supporting the IESM whole heartedly in its plans on ground.
The Government has done very little for ESM so far, but they are aware of the rapidly rising popularity of IESM among the ESM.
There are also very strong rumours floating around that while internally the Government has in principle agreed to OROP, it will announce it only a year or so before the next general elections!!!
We cannot believe such rumours – and have to continue with our efforts to get –
“JUSTICE FOR DEFENCE SERVICES”.
So let us all stand shoulder to shoulder and support the activities of IESM whole heartedly.
An email received from Maj Gen Satbir Singh, Retd, S M,Vice Chairman IESM, is reproduced below. The attachment received with the email in English language is reproduced below his email. Please translate the English version in your regional languages and have these circulated widely in your respective areas.
Please do put in your best efforts to make the depositing of medals on 25 Oct 09 a grand success event as earlier.
A handful of leaders of IESM cannot achieve the aim unless we all support sincerely and with all our might.
Success of IESM is in the interest of ALL ESM of INDIA, spread all over the world.
In Service of Indian Military Veterans
In Put By Lt Col B M Thapa, Veteran & Member of IESM

PRESS RELEASE/INVITATION
Unhappy Over Non Grant of One Rank One Pension (OROP), Ex - Servicemen Deposit Medals with the President Fifth time on 25 Oct 2009 at Jantar Mantar
Dear Members of the Media
1. The Govt continues to ignore the grant of One Rank One Pension demand of Ex Servicemen (ESM). The Prime Minister in his speech at Red Fort on 15 Aug 09 had stated that pensions of JCOs and other ranks have been enhanced. Even, these orders have not yet been issued by the Govt. Why there should be so much delay? Is it that bureaucracy with intent to harass the Ex Servicemen is causing hurdles in issuing the necessary orders? The Ex Servicemen are very angry and hurt on this attitude of the Govt. The Ex Servicemen across the country have asked the Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) leadership who have been protesting for the last one and half year against the Injustice to Defence Forces to intensify the Movement to get OROP sanctioned at the earliest. IESM has decided to deposit the medals once again with the President on 25 Oct 09. It may please be noted that Ex Servicemen have already deposited 20000 medals with the President.
2. ESM PAN India have started depositing the medals with the IESM HQ at Gurgaon (Hr). The medals will also be collected on 25 Oct 09 at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi from 10 AM to 2 PM. Thereafter, a delegation of IESM will proceed to Rashtrapati Bhawan to deposit the medals with the President.
3. IESM appeals to all ESM across the country to volunteer deposit the medals to strengthen the Movement for getting Justice to the Defence Personnel, the most important demand being the grant of OROP. It is pertinent to mention that an old pensioner Sepoy with 17 years of service gets a pension of Rs 3500/-per month only where as a Sepoy retiring after 2006 with same years of service gets a Pension of Rs 7045/- per month. This is totally unjust, illegal and happens only in our Country.
4. You are requested to kindly publish this in your news paper/carry it in your news channel/magazine /periodicals and also cover the event on 25 Oct 2009 between 10 AM to 3 PM at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi.
With Kind Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM

Views from UK...Veteran rajinder singh rajput

From: RSingh305@aol.com [mailto:RSingh305@aol.com]

Sent: 13 October 2009 04:00

To: Kamboj Chander

Subject: Re: ESM SITREP OF 12 OCT 09 - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 709/2009 - 12 OCT 0...

In a message dated 12/10/2009 18:56:42 GMT Standard Time, kamboj@itintellectuals.com writes:
· Issue of membership cards is to be undertaken expeditiously. A simple card will be designed showing the minimum essential details and printed on priority. This will then be despatched to members by postal mail.


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Dear Sir,
What a great idea to issue membership cards.
Please get the estimate for COST of printing these and appeal for volunteer donors. Even if you have the funds, extra bit can always be welcome.
I think you will have tremendous response and all the expense will be taken care of at once.
Needless to say that you are doing great service to the cause. We have great admiration for your hard work.

Rajinder Singh Rajput
Veteran
UK

OROP views by Cdr RW Pathak ...reply to Sunil Makse

Dear Sunil Maske

There is absolutely no confusion.The Fin Min and Def Min merely announced that the Government has given OROP to JCO and below(Fin Min) and also to officers(Def Min).Mere words.There are no orders so far and no indication of when and how.
As announced they have merely created two groups instead of three by bringing pre 1997 retirees at par with pre 2006 retirees.
Please dont believe any thing till we get the actual orders.

Brgds

R W Pathak

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Sunil Maske

Dear sir,

we are bit confused about OROP, is it possible for you to deliver some ideas on it, no rush when you get chance please

With regards

Sunil Makse Ex PO
Security Specialist
UK

Together we can...

Views of Veteran Bhupal singh from Australia

Dear Gen Raj,

Thanx for the update reg Steering Committee Meeting. May I offer few suggestions--

a. The paper for OROP petition should be circulated through the
RMS Blog and suggestions invited from the ESM on the net.
Suitable suggestions should then be incorporated in the
petition before submitting to authorities concerned.

b. The Membership cards shoild be of electronic variety like those
of CSD or ECHS or Cr Cards etc and of longer life material.

c. I have submitted few times in the past also that in our country
the authorities do not give any significant thought to written
representations. Of course exceptions are there. I have sugges-
red in the past also that we must hold a rally of the magnitude
of over at least 200,000 ESM ( including fammilies of ESM)
to create an impact on the general public, media, politicians at
large and the Govt Authorities. Our age old concept of sticking
to soldiely ethics do no not cause any tangible impact.Our past
Rallies did not cause significant impact ( I do not mean to say
that those rallies were ineffective or were a waste ). In our
country unless the roads are choked and the traffic come to
stand still, no one takes note of the rallies. The Rally need not
be violent. But if it is massive in nature with lot of slogans
( which should be positive in nature ), banners & billboards
etc, it will certainly leave lasting impression on all those who
matter. This suggestion should be discussed by the Steering
Committee not only amongst themselves but with the Regional
/State Cells and then implemented.

2. With regards & best wishes to all,

Bhupal Singh, Veteran

Australia

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