Sunday, November 29, 2009

Mail from Brig shyam

29 Nov 09.
Dear Brigadier Shyam Prasad,
Reference your email below.

Thank you for your kind offer.
I am forwarding your email to the Governing Body of IESM to note down your name and request you to help IESM in a particular field of your choice, where IESM needs help.

Also, help us in enrolling members for IESM, in particular JCOs, NCOs, ORs widows. There is no fee for widows.
The membership form and guidelines for becoming member of IESM are given in the attachment to this email.

I wil also request you to kindly get in touch with the Secy Gen of IESM - Gp Capt VK Gandhi - 09810541222, 0120-2519440 , 4313951.

Very fond regards.
Copy to - Governing Body IESM - Gp Capt Vinod Gandhi is requested to kindly get in touch with Brig Shyam Prasad, a senior veteran from Signals. - .
From: shyam Prasad []
Sent: 29 November 2009 07:59
To: Kamboj Chander

Chander Kamboj
Thanks for the email
I agree with all the points mentioned in the email
Please let me know how I can help
S Prasad


Dear Friends,

Please visit the URL given below and read the letter issued by MoD, Dept of ESW, on 30 OCT 2009. This letter waives off the the stipulation of 33 years of service for all defence officer pensioners who retired after 1.1.2006. The Govt will now calculate their pension @ 50% of the last emoluments drawn or the average of last ten months', whichever is more beneficial to the individual.

All of us who retired before 1.1.2006, should ask for the same yardstick to be applied to our cases as well. This will ensure equitable justice.

This will mean that all of us with 20 yrs of QS will become entitled to the pension currently being given for 33 years of weighted service. That pension is currently based on the minimum reckonable emoluments under the existing pay band for those who are still in service.

I now request all ESM organisations to take up this point and ask the govt to implement this yardstick. When accepted, we all with 20 years or more of QS will stand to gain substantially. I do not have the figures for all the ranks but for Lt Cols and equivalent, the pension will be Rs 25,700 pm, both for S and TS categories. Their current entitlement at 20 yrs of QS is Rs 21,028 and 19,470 respectively.

Pension cell of IESM may like to go into it and guide us all please.

We all should treat this demand as a step towards our ultimate goal of OROP.

Regards.................K K Punchhi

Views of Col Raman for AGM on 13 Dec 2009

Dear Veterans,

The Sanjha Morcha seems to be up in Arms, not only against the IESM but also against one of its own founders. What may hurt our Movement is the litigation filed by our erst while Gen Secy, Col K Bharadwaj. The litigation by itself is not going to be the cause for worry, but the unnecessary expenditure in Lawyers fees & connected waste of time & energy. The hard earned money of the ESM of which these disgruntled Veterans were moaning about, is going to be frittered away to the Judiciary , the Lawyers, stationery & postage.

I request you all to consider the following actions to Safe Guard the interest of the IESM, as an Organisation, during the ensuing AGM:-

1. Table a Motion of Confidence, if the Vote of Confidence is not possible due to the strength of members present. Please send the printed version of the Motion to all the members of the IESM as on date, for their signatures & return on or before 12 Dec 2009. A specimen of the Motion is given below:-

" I, (No Rank Name & Membership No) who is a Life member of the Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) affirm my Faith and Confidence / do not have faith and confidence, in the present Office Bearers of the Association."

Signature of the Member, Date & Place"

To expedite the process, a suitably worded Motion can be sent by email for the Members to either take a print out or write or type out the same, sign & return by the due date.

Take care to include this item in the Agenda for the AGM.

2. Pass a Resolution to fix the date of AGM to Elect Office Bearers in the Year 2010. Include this item also in the Agenda for the AGM on 13 Dec 09.

3. Pass a Resolution for taking disciplinary action against the members who have been found to carry on anti IESM activities.

Best Wishes,

Veteran Raman

Views of Cdr Pathak on Disgrunted ESM

Dear Sir

I fully agree with Veteran Raman.In fact this mail of mine may be taken as accepting the resolution.

We must also take suitable disciplinary action against the individual.

More important is i think to find out if these individuals are being used by vested interest to undermine the movement.


R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Member and Coordinator IESM Pension Cell
(Mobile 919822329340)
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340

Mail from Cdr Rajinder Giani

From: Rajinder Giani []
Sent: 29 November 2009 18:05
To: Kamboj Chander

Dear Sir,

After reading your emails I became a member of IESM by depositing Rs 500 in the IESM account on 23 Nov and registering online (though I have yet to receive any acknpwledgement).

Sir, after taking premature retirement from the Navy in 1999, I worked as a Master in the merchant navy for some time. Nowadays, I spend half my time in Goa (Vasco da Gama, where I am settled) and half the time in Kharghar, Navi Mumbai (helping out my twin daughters who are working there). Sir, I have a lot of spare time and access to the net at both places. I would like to volunteer and help in any capacity whatsoever, especially with regrads to pension, ECHS and Canteen.

With warm regards,

Cdr Rajinder Giani (retd)

F-2, Block II, Salkar Residency, E-1102, Lily Bldg, Jalvayu Vihar Phase I
Adarsh Nagar ,Chicalim Sector 20, Kharghar
Goa 403 711 Navi Mumbai

Monday, November 23, 2009


From: Krishan K Punchhi
Cc: Chander Kamboj
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 3:04:21 AM

Navy’s first women combatants
to take to the skies
S. Anandan

Sub-Lieutenants Ambica Hooda, Seema Rani Sharma set to create history

KOCHI: Putting an end to debates over the induction of women into combat roles in the Armed Forces, the Navy on Friday will script history when it enlists two women officers as observers on board its fleet of maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).
With the coveted ‘wings’ conferred on them at a passing-out ceremony here, Sub-Lieutenants Ambica Hooda and Seema Rani Sharma, both 22, will become the first women airborne tacticians of the Navy, which has taken the lead in according equal opportunities by starting entry for women in the observer cadre as Short Service Commissioned Officers.
“Having commendably completed their training, the officers will now be posted to the Dornier maritime reconnaissance squadrons as Electronic Warfare Sensor Officers. And, on a maritime patrol aircraft, observers carry out operation of radar, electronic sensor systems, electronic warfare systems, anti-submarine warfare systems, maritime air operations for independent search and tracking, coordination with the Air Force, and the like,” said Commander P.V.G.K. Nambiar, Officer-in-Charge of the Observer School in INS Garuda, who has overseen the 27-week flying training taken by the women officers, part of a mixed batch of four.
“Their training on the avionics fitted on the Dorniers will stand them in good stead when they get converted to the IL-38 and the TU-142 at a later stage, where they will be required to carry out tactical operation of weapons,” said Commander Sridhar Warrier, Chief Instructor of the Observer School.
The training lasted 16 months, starting with a six-month orientation course at the Naval Academy. The officers also got attached to professional schools INS Shivaji in Lonavla, INS Hamla in Mumbai, and INS Satavahana in Visakhapatnam prior to their final training at the Observer School.
“During the course, we flew 17 sorties, each of three-hour duration,” Sub-Lt. Seema, hailing from Aligarh in Uttar Pradesh, told The Hindu. Her father served in the Navy and her brothers are currently doing so. “I am feeling proud that I’ve set the course for young women to follow,” she said of her choice.
Sub-Lt. Ambica, from Rohtak in Haryana, didn’t have a clue when she filled up the application form after graduation that she would go down in history as one of the first two women combatants in the Navy. Her father served in the Army, but an uncle in the Navy encouraged her to strive for a different role. Still excited about their first Dornier sortie, she says a gender-sensitive infrastructure had already fallen in place when their training commenced. “I am ready to handle any role I am asked to perform,” she said.
On Monday, the duo flew their 18th sortie under the watchful eyes of a Qualified Navigation Instructor from the Aircats (Aircrew Categorisation and Standardisation Board), the nodal agency in naval aviation to test the degree of professionalism of the air crew.
As Sub-Lts. Seema and Ambica emerged from the aircraft after their three-and-a-half hour standardisation procedure, during which they flew over the southern peninsula, a delighted Commander Satish Kumar, their Aircats examiner, told The Hindu: “They were supposed to take the aircraft from point A to point B and were expected to fix its position at any point in time.. They did way above average.”


Letter to Times of India by Wg Cdr Subhash kapoor

: subhash kapoor
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 1:08:26 PM
Dear Sir/Madam:

Appended below is a copy of the letter sent to the Editor The Times of India, for your information.

Warm regards.

Veteran SC Kapoor

--- On Fri, 20/11/09, subhash kapoor wrote:

From: subhash kapoor
Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 9:05 PM



The Editor
The Times of India
New Delhi


We are happy to announce slight improvement, of late, as regards fairness, objectivity and adequacy of the coverage accorded by The Times of India to the news pertaining to the Armed Forces of the country.

Please do keep up this good trend. As a reputed national newspaper under constant scrutiny by its innumerable readers you perhaps have no other viable option on a long-term basis.

As a gesture of abundant goodwill we will not rake up past cases as of now until you choose to reopen old wounds afresh through biased/flawed reporting. Here, may we remind you, Sir, of what was authoritatively stated on behalf of your newspaper some time back: "Our client has always kept the armed forces in high esteem, and has always highlighted the gallantry work of our soldiers with pride. Our client has always respected and saluted the spirit and sacrifice of armed forces for our country." Similar assertions have been made and assurances given repeatedly in the text.

It is never too late to start learning/doing what is in the best interests of the country and its people including your own.

Please do give us a chance to continue respecting you and feeling proud of you as an eminent Editor/citizen of India just as we have for long been privileged to feel for your predecessors in yesteryears.

Warm regards--and good night, Sir.


SC Kapoor
Wing Commander (retd)
E-145, Sector 21
Noida-201 301
Mob: 0120-2536068

Politicians all over the world..??


Read the letter sent to Sen. Barbara Boxer from an Alaskan Airlines pilot below.
Many of us witnessed the arrogance of Barbara Boxer on June 18, 2009 as she admonished Brigadier General Michael Walsh because he addressed her
as "ma'am" and not "Senator" before a Senate hearing.
This letter is from a National Guard aviator and Captain for Alaska Airlines named Jim Hill. I wonder what he would have said if he were really angry. Long fly Alaska !!!!!
You were so right on when you scolded the general on TV for using the
term, "ma'am," instead of "Senator". After all, in the military, "ma'am" is a term of respect when addressing a female of superior rank or position. The general was totally wrong. You are not a person of superior rank or position. You are a member of one of the world's most corrupt organizations, the U.S. Senate, equaled only by the U.S. House of Representatives.

Congress is a cesspool of liars, thieves, inside traders, traitors, drunks (one who killed a staffer, yet is still revered), criminals, and other low level swine who, as individuals (not all, but many), will do anything to enhance their lives, fortunes and power, all at the expense of the People of the United States and its Constitution, in order to be continually re-elected. Many democrats even want American troops killed by releasing photographs. How many of you could honestly say, "We pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor"? None? One?

Your reaction to the general shows several things. First is your abysmal ignorance of all things military. Your treatment of the general shows you to be an elitist of the worst kind. When the general entered the military (as most of us who served) he wrote the government a blank check, offering his life to protect your derriere, now safely and comfortably ensconced in a 20 thousand dollar leather chair, paid for by the general's taxes. You repaid him for this by humiliating him in front of millions.

Second is your puerile character, lack of sophistication, and arrogance which borders on the hubristic. This display of brattish behavior shows you to be a virago, termagant, harridan, nag, scold or shrew, unfit for your position, regardless of the support of the unwashed, uneducated masses who have made California into the laughing stock of the nation.
What I am writing, are the same thoughts countless millions of Americans have toward Congress, but who lack the energy, ability or time to convey them. Regardless of their thoughts, most realize that politicians are pretty much the same, and will vote for the one who will bring home the most bacon, even if they do consider how corrupt that person is. Lord Acton (1834 - 1902) so aptly charged, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.." Unbeknownst to you and your colleagues, "Mr. Power" has had his way with all of you, and we are all the worse for it.

(The above article has been received by me through large number of emails – Chander Kamboj)

Letter to editor Tribune by Lt Gen Harbhajan Singh

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Harbhajan Singh wrote:

Dear Mr Dua, (Editor in Chief, the Tribune, India)

Our felicitations on your being nominated to the Rajya Sabha. You deserve the honor for the journalistic and other services that you have rendered to the Nation.

Now that you are where policies are made and bills passed, it would be appreciated if you kindly take up various issues relating to National Security, pays and perks of Indian Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen who day in and day out, since Independence have been deployed along our inhospitable borders, have fought so many wars and died in thousands defending the integrity of the Nation.

Please do read the write up below about American Armed Forces. Most of what is written amply applies to Indian Armed Forces as well.

Please draw your own conclusions and do the best you can for the Indian serving and retired Military personnel.

Best wishes.

Harbhajan Singh
Lt Gen (Retd) PVSM
Former Signal Officer-in-Chief


From: maqbool niazi


Cc: Maj Gen Coomar Ashok ; Kumar Col

Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 5:38:58 PM
Dear Brigadier.
The open letter to Hon`ble MPs from Lt. Gen.(Retd) Raj Kadyan PVSM,AVSM,VSM, Chairman IESM, Has been delivered to Ms. Sushma Swaraj MP Sihore and Deputy leader of Opposition Lok Sabha under the covering letter of Bhopal ExServices League, Ex Servicemen League Sihore and Ex DefenceService Officers Association Central India Under the signature of its President Maj Gen.(Retd) Ashok Coomar on Nov 21, 2009.
This is for your information please.

(Col MAK Niazi, Bhopal)

Friday, November 20, 2009

Role of services for India’s independence by Brig G Natarajan

Role of services for India’s independence

from Brig(retd) G natarajan, Signals

When B.P. Chakravarti was acting as Governor of West Bengal, Lord Attlee visited India and stayed as his guest for three days at the Raj Bhavan. Chakravarti asked Attlee about the real grounds for granting Independence to India. Specifically, his question was, when the Quit India movement lay in ruins years before 1947, what was the need for the British to leave in such a hurry. Attlee’s response is most illuminating and important for history. Here is the Governor’s account of what Attlee told him:
“In reply Attlee cited several reasons, the most important were the activities of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose which weakened the very foundation of the attachment of the Indian land and naval forces to the British Government. Towards the end, I asked Lord Attlee about the extent to which the British decision to quit India was influenced by Gandhi’s activities. On hearing this question Attlee’s lips widened in a smile of disdain and he uttered, slowly, putting emphasis on each single letter mi-ni-mal.”
This ‘unimpeachable’ truth will come as a shock to most Indians brought up to believe that the Congress movement driven by the ’spiritual force’ of Mahatma Gandhi forced the British to leave India.
But both the evidence and the logic of history are against this beautiful but childish fantasy; it was the fear of mutiny by the Indian armed forces-and not any ’spiritual force’- that forced the issue of freedom. The British saw that the sooner they left India the better for themselves, for, at the end of the war, India had some three million men under arms. Majumdar had reached the same conclusion years earlier, as far back as 1948 as he records. The most dramatic event after the end of World War II was the INA Trials at the Red Fort—not any movement by Gandhi or Nehru. This led directly to the mutiny of the naval ratings, which, more than anything, helped the British make up their minds to leave India in a hurry. They sensed that it was only a matter of time before the spirit spread to other sections of the armed forces and the rest of the Government. None of this would have happened without Subhas Bose and the INA.
The crucial point to note is that thanks to Subhas Bose’s activities and the INA, the Armed Forces began to see themselves as defenders of India rather than upholders of the British Empire. This, more than anything else, was what led to India’s freedom. This is also the reason why the British Empire disappeared from the face of the earth within an astonishingly short space of twenty years. Indian soldiers, who were the main prop of the Empire, were no longer willing to fight to hold the Empire together.


2 “..Apart from revisionist historians, it was none other than Lord Clement Atlee himself, the British Prime Minister responsible for conceding independence to India, who gave a shattering blow to the myth sought to be perpetuated by court historians, that Gandhi and his movement had led the country to freedom. Chief Justice P.B. Chakrabarty of Calcutta High Court, who had also served as the acting Governor of West Bengal in India, disclosed the following in a letter addressed to the publisher of Dr. R.C. Majumdar’s book A History of Bengal. The Chief Justice wrote: ‘ My direct question to him (Atlee) was that since Gandhi’s “Quit India” movement had tapered off quite some time ago and in 1947 no such new compelling situation had arisen that would necessitate a hasty British departure, why did they have to leave? In his reply Atlee cited several reasons, the principal among them being the erosion of loyalty to the British Crown among the Indian army and navy personnel as a result of the military activities of Netaji [Bose]. Toward the end of our discussion I asked Atlee what was the extent of Gandhi’s influence upon the British decision to quit India. Hearing this question, Atlee’s lips became twisted in a sarcastic smile as he slowly chewed out the word, “m-i-n-i-m-a-l!” ” Subhas Chandra Bose, the Indian National Army, and the War of India’s Liberation – Ranjan Borra, Journal of Historical Review, no. 3, 4 (Winter 1982)

Thursday, November 19, 2009

Monuments aglore by Veteran Chaitanya Prakash

From: Chaitanya []
Sent: 19 November 2009 13:19
To: Kamboj Chander

for those who lament about lack of memorials in India, have to only look towards state of UP- why we have hundreds of statues of someone called mayawati and her mentors - thousands of crore rupees have been spent on erecting these "memorials" in stone!

with our value system and priorities, as they stand, this is what we deserve and get.

as regards some of us cribbing about what pension and perks people in other walks of life/professions/service get and then want to compare them with soldiers my humble request is to understand that NO ONE GIVES OTHERS ANYTHING. IT IS THE ABILITY AND POWER TO TAKE WHAT YOU CAN. IF YOU HAVE THE POWERS OR THE CLOUT OR THE ABILITY TO HOLD THE COUNTRY TO RANSOM YOU CAN "TAKE" WHAT YOU WANT. NO ONE GIVES IT TO YOU UNLESS YOU TAKE IT YOURSELF.

until we the soldier understand this simple fact of life we will keep striving, begging, pleading and
living in fools paradise.

best regards
chaitanya prakash

Monday, November 16, 2009

Views of Cmde Brijesh on Draft Direct Tax Code

From: Brijesh
Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 6:06:21 PM
Subject: Draft Direct Tax Code
Dear Brig Kamboj,

The Draft Direct Tax Code, which will replace the present IT Act 1961 upon enactment, has been placed in public domain for discussion. The code has a number of provisions which if enacted without amendment, may take away some of the benefits currently available to the veterans. The provisions ,as currently drafted, may curtail the list of gallantry awards entitled to IT benefits as also the benefit for persons with disability pension. I have not seen any discussion in the IESM on these important issues that may hit the beneficiaries from 01 Apr 11, when the new code kicks in.

My suggestion to IESM therefore is to consider setting of a dedicated but broad based group consisting of veterans with experience in law, pay and allowances, gallantry award winners and persons in receipt of disability pension to examine the draft code and propose amendments. Once the amendments have generally been agreed to, then these could be forwarded to members of the mailing list for forwarding to appropriate agency in the Government for consideration.

It is my understanding that the proposed amendments will be examined by a committee before the draft is finalised and tabled in parliament for approval.

(Cmde Brijesh’s suggestion has been forwarded to the IESM Steering Committee for consideration – Chander Kamboj)

Veteran's day by Veteran Pradeep Sharma

From: pradeep sharma
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)"
Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 9:52:42 PM
Subject: Fwd: The Chronicle

On the occasion of veteran's day in the US.
Thought this may be circulated.
The item is from a newsletter forwarded by the patriot post.
pls see link below

Pradeep Sharma
(Wg Cdr Pradeep Sharma, Noida)
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
The Foundation
"Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have grown not only gray, but almost blind in the service of my country." --George Washington
Veterans Day
Today is Veterans Day. We encourage all Patriots to set aside time and reflect on the sacrifice of our Patriot veterans and those serving today, and honor them accordingly.
On Nov. 11, 1921, an unknown American soldier from World War I was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, in recognition of WWI veterans and in conjunction with the timing of cessation of hostilities at 11 a.m., Nov. 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). President Warren Harding requested that: "All ... citizens ... indulge in a period of silent thanks to God for these ... valorous lives and of supplication for His Divine mercy ... on our beloved country." Inscribed on the Tomb are the words: "Here lies in honored glory an American soldier know but to God." The day became known as "Armistice Day." In 1954, Congress, wanting to recognize the sacrifice of veterans since WWI, proposed to change Armistice Day to Veterans Day in their honor. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, former Supreme Commander in WWII, signed the legislation.
To honor those veterans who sacrificed all, an Army honor guard from the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard) keeps day and night vigil at Arlington. At 11 a.m. this morning, a combined color guard representing all military service branches executed "Present Arms" at the tomb for the laying of a wreath by the president, followed by "Taps."
More than a million Patriots stand ready, or are actively defending our nation today. These men and women were not drafted into service, but volunteered to serve. To all our veterans: Thank you for your dedicated service to the cause of liberty.
To the wounded soldiers and civilians, and the families of those killeld or wounded at Fort Hood: Our prayers are with you.
Mark Alexander will have more on Veterans Day in his essay tomorrow, dedicated to the service of two notable veterans.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse." --John Stuart Mill
"A really great people, proud and high-spirited, would face all the disasters of war rather than purchase that base prosperity which is bought at the price of national honor." --Theodore Roosevelt
"Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory." --George S. Patton
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." --Sir Winston S. Churchill
"It is, in a way, an odd thing to honor those who died in defense of our country ... in wars far away. The imagination plays a trick. We see these soldiers in our mind as old and wise. We see them as something like the Founding Fathers, grave and gray-haired. But most of them were boys when they died, and they gave up two lives -- the one they were living and the one they would have lived. When they died, they gave up their chance to be husbands and fathers and grandfathers. They gave up their chance to be revered old men. They gave up everything for their country, for us. All we can do is remember." --Ronald Reagan

Tuesday, November 3, 2009

Views by Lt Gen KM Seth on Letter by Lt Gen Bahi

From: krish seth []
Sent: 31 October 2009 17:09
To: Kamboj Chander
"REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 745/2009 - 30 OCT 09 (H to Z)

Ref Gen Bahris letter, if you wish I can have the letter delivered to the leader of the opposition.Kindly let me have the letter.
With Best wishes.

Gen Seth.

(Lt Gen KM Seth, held the Constitutional post of Governor of Tripura,and Chhatisgarh from June 2000 to Jan 2008. Presently at Noida - 0120 2430909, 9811224400 )