Dear Friends,
With reference to the mails on the subject, I had also sent some suggestions,
which I hope must have been considered appropriately but the outcome not
known. When a large number of comn exchange takes place, some are
bound to be lost !!.
I support the views of Veteran RK that we all, once out of uniform, are ESM
and RANK should not matter much. In fact situation should be "Jee Kaho aur
Jee Kahao". (address each other with respect) It is also NOT necessary that
'bright' and 'brilliant' ideas come only with RANK. We are not in a sand model
discussion and there is no compulsion to support DS (IO / RO) solution.
We should also not think that because Lt Cols and Lt Gens have been given
some dues (denied earlier - but not equal to OROP) will NOT support any
future 'course of action'. The ESM joined IESM / IESL not for getting their
individual pensions increased, but for the general cause (discrimination being
faced by ESM / Serving people as compared to 'BABUs'). Let us not make
isolated pockets amongst ourselves. Some time back one ESM organisation
from Punjab had written that "PBOR did not resent, when Lt Cols got PB IV".
How does it matter to PBOR or Offrs if some people are given a part of their
dues? We are NOT fighting for individual gains.
From what has happened since election results came, we have NO alternative
other than moving JUDICIARY with a sound case and settle it once for all.
With regards
Lt Col Inderjit Singh Gill, Veteran
MHOW
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Monday, August 10, 2009
Urgent Need to Strengthen Defence Forces
Urgent Need to Strengthen Defence Forces
Kindly peruse the attachment. Your views/comments will be highly appreciated. I personally consider it as a very serious and important matter for the strength and Unity of the country. Government ignored the Kargil Day as Unity Day of the country. The memory of ignoring Field Marshal Maneksha by the government at the time of his death- people of India will never forget.....
Hence I also intend to include
1. Three Services Chief/PSOs should never be appointed as Governor, etc after retirement so that they do not compromise the welfare of their officers and jawans during the service. After retiremeent if they want they can join any politcal party/contest as independent for political assignments.
2. It was highly demoralsing that retired officers/Jawans had to return their medals for bravery to the government and Services Chief/Defence Secy kept mum perhaps with an eye on assignments like Governor etc on retirement
3. Defence Secy should be from the defence Services to advise the Defence Minsiter and Prime Minsiter. IAS officers are not suitable for the assignment.
Defence Secy could be assited by Defence Experts in India as Joint Secy and Addl Secys
4. The Status of Defence Services Officers be raised vis-a-vis IAS officers
5. IAS Officers with almost no positve contibution to the country, reach the highest of the pay scale i.e Rs 80,000 (Basic) per month, it is about 5% for Defence Services Officers, and IPS about 25%, Central Services about 20%. This needs correction.
6. JCOs concept was for a colony by the British. They never had this system in their own country. Let young officers directly deal with soldiers and develop better rapport with them. Training programmes be suitably modified.
7. We should follow the world best models
8. There should always a separate Pay Commission for the Defence Services. Each Pay Commsiion had lowered the status of Defence Services Officers.etc etc..........Prem Sabhlok
Kindly peruse the attachment. Your views/comments will be highly appreciated. I personally consider it as a very serious and important matter for the strength and Unity of the country. Government ignored the Kargil Day as Unity Day of the country. The memory of ignoring Field Marshal Maneksha by the government at the time of his death- people of India will never forget.....
Hence I also intend to include
1. Three Services Chief/PSOs should never be appointed as Governor, etc after retirement so that they do not compromise the welfare of their officers and jawans during the service. After retiremeent if they want they can join any politcal party/contest as independent for political assignments.
2. It was highly demoralsing that retired officers/Jawans had to return their medals for bravery to the government and Services Chief/Defence Secy kept mum perhaps with an eye on assignments like Governor etc on retirement
3. Defence Secy should be from the defence Services to advise the Defence Minsiter and Prime Minsiter. IAS officers are not suitable for the assignment.
Defence Secy could be assited by Defence Experts in India as Joint Secy and Addl Secys
4. The Status of Defence Services Officers be raised vis-a-vis IAS officers
5. IAS Officers with almost no positve contibution to the country, reach the highest of the pay scale i.e Rs 80,000 (Basic) per month, it is about 5% for Defence Services Officers, and IPS about 25%, Central Services about 20%. This needs correction.
6. JCOs concept was for a colony by the British. They never had this system in their own country. Let young officers directly deal with soldiers and develop better rapport with them. Training programmes be suitably modified.
7. We should follow the world best models
8. There should always a separate Pay Commission for the Defence Services. Each Pay Commsiion had lowered the status of Defence Services Officers.etc etc..........Prem Sabhlok
Views by Veteran Ram Gulrajani
From: Ram Gulrajani ramgulrajani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: IESM SITREP 08 AUG 09 - EMAIL 586/2009 - 08 AUG 09 - (C to G)
Date: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:48 PM
Dear General
How's that no one bothers to write to National newspapers that have their origin in South India? I feel all important articles by senior veterans should be sent not only to English media but also regional media. In fact, I feel, regional media has a wider audience than English media. Tamil, Telegu, Kanada, Malayalam, Marathi, Bengali, Oriya and NE region will grab such articles for publication. You will keep getting the feed back since IESM members are now wide spread.
Many regards
Veteran Ram Gulrajani
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Subject: Re: IESM SITREP 08 AUG 09 - EMAIL 586/2009 - 08 AUG 09 - (C to G)
Date: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:48 PM
Dear General
How's that no one bothers to write to National newspapers that have their origin in South India? I feel all important articles by senior veterans should be sent not only to English media but also regional media. In fact, I feel, regional media has a wider audience than English media. Tamil, Telegu, Kanada, Malayalam, Marathi, Bengali, Oriya and NE region will grab such articles for publication. You will keep getting the feed back since IESM members are now wide spread.
Many regards
Veteran Ram Gulrajani
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Views by Cdr Pran Parashar
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From: pran parashar pran.parashar@gmail.com
Subject: Re: IESM SITREP 09 AUG 09 - EMAIL 587/2009 - 09 AUG 09 - (M to Q)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 10 August, 2009, 3:56 AM
Dear Sirs,
Blessings.
Gen. Kadyan has covered the subject of OROP in detail in his letter. It is clear to me that whilst Mr. Manmohan Singh is the PM nothing is going to come of reasoning. He is the BIG HONCHO of the Bureaucrats. Sooner we stop relying on PM's sense of Justice and obligations to the country, better for us. Thanks to Mian Musharraf we are still getting our old pensions at least. Otherwise, even these would have gone! May be the intervention of TALIBAN, that is bound to happen, would shake up the PM. Though I doubt it.
The Govt has not paid the 60% of the DA that was supposed to be paid in May. PB4 having been approved, no instructions are issued for the payment of the new Pension Scales or the arrears. If we let up our efforts, nothing would come. No body can convince me that there is shortage of money in this country.
Live in hope and die in despair. I doubt if I would see the colour of money of the so called increases in my life time.
Lots of love and blessings.
Pran Parashar
(Cdr Pran Parashar, Founder Member of Naval Aviation, Retired in 1974, served the shipping industry for 30 years after retirement. Attends every major rally of IESM in Delhi, visited the IESM Shamiana at Jantar Mantar New Delhi, every day (except when his driver was on leave as being above 80 years he does not have a valid driving licence), while the IESM had its Relay Fast for Justice there, from Dec 08 till the Lok Sabha elction campaigns commenced - Apr 09.)
From: pran parashar pran.parashar@gmail.com
Subject: Re: IESM SITREP 09 AUG 09 - EMAIL 587/2009 - 09 AUG 09 - (M to Q)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 10 August, 2009, 3:56 AM
Dear Sirs,
Blessings.
Gen. Kadyan has covered the subject of OROP in detail in his letter. It is clear to me that whilst Mr. Manmohan Singh is the PM nothing is going to come of reasoning. He is the BIG HONCHO of the Bureaucrats. Sooner we stop relying on PM's sense of Justice and obligations to the country, better for us. Thanks to Mian Musharraf we are still getting our old pensions at least. Otherwise, even these would have gone! May be the intervention of TALIBAN, that is bound to happen, would shake up the PM. Though I doubt it.
The Govt has not paid the 60% of the DA that was supposed to be paid in May. PB4 having been approved, no instructions are issued for the payment of the new Pension Scales or the arrears. If we let up our efforts, nothing would come. No body can convince me that there is shortage of money in this country.
Live in hope and die in despair. I doubt if I would see the colour of money of the so called increases in my life time.
Lots of love and blessings.
Pran Parashar
(Cdr Pran Parashar, Founder Member of Naval Aviation, Retired in 1974, served the shipping industry for 30 years after retirement. Attends every major rally of IESM in Delhi, visited the IESM Shamiana at Jantar Mantar New Delhi, every day (except when his driver was on leave as being above 80 years he does not have a valid driving licence), while the IESM had its Relay Fast for Justice there, from Dec 08 till the Lok Sabha elction campaigns commenced - Apr 09.)
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Views by Veteran Ram Gulrajani 08 Aug 2009
Dear General
How's that no one bothers to write to National newspapers that have their origin in South India? I feel all important articles by senior veterans should be sent not only to English media but also regional media. In fact, I feel, regional media has a wider audience than English media. Tamil, Telegu, Kanada, Malayalam, Marathi, Bengali, Oriya and NE region will grab such articles for publication. You will keep getting the feed back since IESM members are now wide spread.
Many regards
Veteran Ram Gulrajani
How's that no one bothers to write to National newspapers that have their origin in South India? I feel all important articles by senior veterans should be sent not only to English media but also regional media. In fact, I feel, regional media has a wider audience than English media. Tamil, Telegu, Kanada, Malayalam, Marathi, Bengali, Oriya and NE region will grab such articles for publication. You will keep getting the feed back since IESM members are now wide spread.
Many regards
Veteran Ram Gulrajani
Views of Col James
Dear Brig CS Kamboj,
I located my membership from IESM webpage. There is double entry with respect to you. One needs to use "ctrl + F" command to locate individual names.
Kudos to the IESM corps team to collate and register all members, a colossal task indeed.
1427 AY1UTT001427L 12151 Brig Kamboj CS Noida Army
42 AYBRIG UTT0000 c Brig Kamboj CS Noida Army
1740 AY1KER001740L IC-16114 Col Kamini Radhakrishnan Palakkad Army
509 AYLATE NK HAR0 2672409F Late Nk Kamla Dev Widow of Late Nk Ved Parkash Jhajhar Army
3054 AY3MAH003054L 7026866 NK KANADE CHANDRAKANT K PUNE Army
3461 IC25777 Lt Col Kanagaraj James Chennai Army
We need to give momentum to the membership drive....rope in PBORs in large numbers.
With regards,
James Kanagaraj
I located my membership from IESM webpage. There is double entry with respect to you. One needs to use "ctrl + F" command to locate individual names.
Kudos to the IESM corps team to collate and register all members, a colossal task indeed.
1427 AY1UTT001427L 12151 Brig Kamboj CS Noida Army
42 AYBRIG UTT0000 c Brig Kamboj CS Noida Army
1740 AY1KER001740L IC-16114 Col Kamini Radhakrishnan Palakkad Army
509 AYLATE NK HAR0 2672409F Late Nk Kamla Dev Widow of Late Nk Ved Parkash Jhajhar Army
3054 AY3MAH003054L 7026866 NK KANADE CHANDRAKANT K PUNE Army
3461 IC25777 Lt Col Kanagaraj James Chennai Army
We need to give momentum to the membership drive....rope in PBORs in large numbers.
With regards,
James Kanagaraj
Thursday, July 9, 2009
IESM Membership drive by Cdr R Pathak & Brig Luktuke..Pune
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ravindra Pathak
Date: 2009/7/8
Subject: IESM Membership
To:
Dear All
At last Brig Luktuke was able to get a small item published in a local Marathi paper.It has had a tremendous response particularly from Widows and PBOR.Officers by and large are usual still with their nose in the air attitude.
I have had two interesting contacts.One from the local head of IESL who wishes to meet me and said on phone that we can work together.I have invited him to come home and discuss.Let us see if he actually does come.
The other was a call from One MR Ajit Desai who is a civilian with military background and claims his ancestral land was donated for the MLI centre at Belguam.He is planning a big event for ESM next year and wishes us to get associated.Once i have spoken to him will revert.
The point is that with two inserts in the papers at no cost we have had a very good response and so this media to spread awareness must be used to the maximum.Merely reports of medals being returned etc have not had the desired effect of people coming to join as they have no idea whom to contact.
During discussions with people who called i felt that we will have to evolve a method of reaching out to those who are members on a regular basis.This not being done by IESL is a major crib of most.Many have asked when the meetiing of all members will be.I have no answer as this is what the Convener should be doing.Todate no one has heard about any plans for Kargil day on 26th Jul in Pune.I and some of us have an invitation from Bangalore but all quiet on Pune front so far.
A suggestion has also been made that we could look at a possibility of having a helpline for members through which they could reach us in cases of emergency or for other queries.
Again the problem of non payment or wrong payment of dues by bank has emerged as a major issue even with officers.I feel IESM should start to tackle these issues also as if we do succeed and are able to get it across to the members that we are going to look at these issues we will get members much quicker.Even a letter to the concerned authority would help.
A point about the IESM site.Could we consider it as a means of earning for the IESM?Many ESM have varied business from marriage bureaus for ESM wards to purely commercial.I am sure we could earn by letting them advert on the site.
There are many ESM who are staying on their own and are often at a loss to understand many issues that affect them.They do not know where to go for help in case of emergency.A suggestion was made that either a group like NRI Parents association or a helpline could be set up. May be IESM could take a lead looking into this issue.
Cribs about ECHS continue.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Ravindra Waman Pathak(Mobile 919822329340)
and
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340)
1 Surashri
From: Ravindra Pathak
Date: 2009/7/8
Subject: IESM Membership
To:
Dear All
At last Brig Luktuke was able to get a small item published in a local Marathi paper.It has had a tremendous response particularly from Widows and PBOR.Officers by and large are usual still with their nose in the air attitude.
I have had two interesting contacts.One from the local head of IESL who wishes to meet me and said on phone that we can work together.I have invited him to come home and discuss.Let us see if he actually does come.
The other was a call from One MR Ajit Desai who is a civilian with military background and claims his ancestral land was donated for the MLI centre at Belguam.He is planning a big event for ESM next year and wishes us to get associated.Once i have spoken to him will revert.
The point is that with two inserts in the papers at no cost we have had a very good response and so this media to spread awareness must be used to the maximum.Merely reports of medals being returned etc have not had the desired effect of people coming to join as they have no idea whom to contact.
During discussions with people who called i felt that we will have to evolve a method of reaching out to those who are members on a regular basis.This not being done by IESL is a major crib of most.Many have asked when the meetiing of all members will be.I have no answer as this is what the Convener should be doing.Todate no one has heard about any plans for Kargil day on 26th Jul in Pune.I and some of us have an invitation from Bangalore but all quiet on Pune front so far.
A suggestion has also been made that we could look at a possibility of having a helpline for members through which they could reach us in cases of emergency or for other queries.
Again the problem of non payment or wrong payment of dues by bank has emerged as a major issue even with officers.I feel IESM should start to tackle these issues also as if we do succeed and are able to get it across to the members that we are going to look at these issues we will get members much quicker.Even a letter to the concerned authority would help.
A point about the IESM site.Could we consider it as a means of earning for the IESM?Many ESM have varied business from marriage bureaus for ESM wards to purely commercial.I am sure we could earn by letting them advert on the site.
There are many ESM who are staying on their own and are often at a loss to understand many issues that affect them.They do not know where to go for help in case of emergency.A suggestion was made that either a group like NRI Parents association or a helpline could be set up. May be IESM could take a lead looking into this issue.
Cribs about ECHS continue.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Ravindra Waman Pathak(Mobile 919822329340)
and
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340)
1 Surashri
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