From: Karan Kharb
To: DELETED
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: National Commission for Ex Servicemen
The purpose and desirability of a National Ex-servicemen Commission is not to have an extended arm of the government to rehabilitate and placate some pleasing judges and pliable bureaucrats. The need is to serve the genuine interests of over two million veterans of the Armed Forces of the country.
Therefore there is no question of accepting in its composition anyone who has not served and experienced the unique conditions of service and hazards. We have precedence where Commissions are constituted wholly of the people of eminence from the very community or group they are supposed to serve.
Here are the live examples how other similar Commissions are composed:
1. National Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission:
It is headed by a sitting or retired Judge of the Supreme Court of India. National Commission is presently headed by Hon'ble Mr. Justice M.B. Shah, former Judge of the Supreme Court of India as President and having eight Members, viz. Mrs. Rajyalakshmi Rao, Mr. B.K. Taimni, Hon'ble Mr. Justice K. S. Gupta, Hon'ble Mr. Justice S.N. Kapoor, Dr. P. D. Shenoy, Mr. Anupam Dasgupta, Mr. S. K. Naik & Hon'ble Justice R.C. Jain.
2. National Commission for Scheduled Castes:
Chairman - Shri Buta Singh
Vice Chairman - Prof NM kamble
Members (4 - all from affected Castes/Class; no judge, no bureaucrat)
3. National Commission for Women:
Chairperson - Dr Girija Vyas
Members (3 - all women)
Member Secretary
(All Women; no judge, no bureaucrat.)
4. National Commission for Backward Castes:
Chairperson: Justice (Retd.) S. Ratnavel Pandian
Member-Secretary: Shri Lakshmi Chand
Member Dr. Subba Somu
Member Shri Ram Awadhesh Singh
Member Shri. Abdul Ali Azizi
(All from affected Castes; no judge, no bureaucrat.)
5. National Commission for Scheduled Tribes:
Chairperson: Smt. Urmila Singh
Vice Chairperson; Shri Maurice Kujur
Member; Shri Tsering Samphel
Member: Shri Oris Syiem Myriaw
Member (Vacant)
(All from affected tribes; no judge, no bureaucrat)
The following composition is but one suggestion that comes to mind after surveying other Commissions:-
(a) Chairman - One of the retired Chiefs of Staff (Army, Navy, or Air Force).
(b) President/Chairman of an ESM Organisation registered and representing the ESM community at National level, eg: IESL or any other Org with widest acceptance/representative nature.
(c) A highly decorated, war veteran Sub Maj from Infantry, Armd Corps, Arty or Engrs.
(d) A senior representative each from veterans of Navy and IAF.
(e) A war widow (preferably wife of the highest decorated martyr).
(f) AG or DGR (as Member Secretary).
Total: 7
Member Secretary's role can also be assigned to the serial (b) if AG/DGR not available/acceptable.
Arbitrary composition imposed by the Government not giving total representation to the ESM community must be rejected by one and all because such body will turn out to be yet another white elephant rehabilitating some babus and judges at the cost of ESM like the department of 'Welfare' that exists for itself and not for the soldiers/ESM.
Regards,
Karan
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Tuesday, September 8, 2009
Thursday, August 20, 2009
Views from UK of Veteran RS Rajput
From: RSingh305@aol. com RSingh305@aol. com
Subject: IMG_1182.JPG
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo. co.in
Date: Monday, 17 August, 2009, 6:31 PM
Sir,
I bought a copy of "The Daily Telegraph", London, for the sole reason that on its FRONT PAGE the editor has given FULL PAGE coverage to the British soldiers killed in battle in Afghanistan (attachment) .
Television, all the channels, BBC and others, are giving daily coverage to war there. The bodies of those killed are brought to this country by air and then PARADED through towns with full military honours with members of public lining the streets on both sides.
It is a proof of the VALUE placed on soldiers by people and government of this country. Naturally there are voices against the war in Afghanistan but the support and loyalty of the overwhelming majority carries the day.
The news today also tells us of increase in the number of young volunteers to join the army. Rising unemployment may be one reason but their Will & Spirit to Fight cannot be underestimated.
We NRI's see COLLECTIVE response, supported by media, to external and internal threats to this country.
Regards
RS Rajput
(UK)
17 August 2009.
Subject: IMG_1182.JPG
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo. co.in
Date: Monday, 17 August, 2009, 6:31 PM
Sir,
I bought a copy of "The Daily Telegraph", London, for the sole reason that on its FRONT PAGE the editor has given FULL PAGE coverage to the British soldiers killed in battle in Afghanistan (attachment) .
Television, all the channels, BBC and others, are giving daily coverage to war there. The bodies of those killed are brought to this country by air and then PARADED through towns with full military honours with members of public lining the streets on both sides.
It is a proof of the VALUE placed on soldiers by people and government of this country. Naturally there are voices against the war in Afghanistan but the support and loyalty of the overwhelming majority carries the day.
The news today also tells us of increase in the number of young volunteers to join the army. Rising unemployment may be one reason but their Will & Spirit to Fight cannot be underestimated.
We NRI's see COLLECTIVE response, supported by media, to external and internal threats to this country.
Regards
RS Rajput
(UK)
17 August 2009.
Wednesday, August 19, 2009
Mail from cdr Pathak ...Pune
From: Ravindra Pathak raviwarsha@gmail.com
Subject: IESM Membership
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: "Brig C S Kamboj" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED
Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 11:44 AM
Dear Sir
Today i have registered the following online
1. Surve Dilip Babu Nb Sb
The HDFC receipt is enclosed.
The forms will follow in due course.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)(Mobile 919822329340)
and
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340
Subject: IESM Membership
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: "Brig C S Kamboj" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED
Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 11:44 AM
Dear Sir
Today i have registered the following online
1. Surve Dilip Babu Nb Sb
The HDFC receipt is enclosed.
The forms will follow in due course.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)(Mobile 919822329340)
and
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340
Monday, August 17, 2009
RBI Intervention by Cdr Pathak , Pune
Dear Sir
Kindly refer to mail on the subject sent earlier.I am resending the mail with the attachment on F A Q on Pension payment by banks.
Before we take up anything with RBI let us try and find out from our banks what are their problems and we may be able to get a better picture to plan our future course with RBI Intervention.
Today I have had a good interaction with the person handling pensions in my branch and i expect to get answers from him in a couple of days about their problems and his suggested solutions.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)(Mobile 919822329340
Kindly refer to mail on the subject sent earlier.I am resending the mail with the attachment on F A Q on Pension payment by banks.
Before we take up anything with RBI let us try and find out from our banks what are their problems and we may be able to get a better picture to plan our future course with RBI Intervention.
Today I have had a good interaction with the person handling pensions in my branch and i expect to get answers from him in a couple of days about their problems and his suggested solutions.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)(Mobile 919822329340
Friday, August 14, 2009
Views by Col CJS Khera
Subject: Re: MINUTES STEERING COMMITTE MEETING
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 8:45 AM
Sir,
1. Thanks for the informatory email. This is the only way we can come on one platform, if only there is no communication gap.
2. There need more to be done on ground ,as 80% of ESM does not have any source to get informed as to what is being planned by IESM except officers/Jcos with email accounts. I suggest the following-
(a) the Local ESM of area must spread info in English or in local language at the CSD counters, Sainik welfare Centres, ECHS centres , State treasury, Pension paying banks so that more mind join us and participate. This sort of marketing need to be done to ensure maximum voice errupt from ESMcommunity
(b) All ESM org must have ESM Data bank with detailed particulars and contact numbers.
(c) I am in possession such data bank of Distt Roopngar including Chd,Mohali,Morinds,Kharar,Panchkula. This needs to be now updated by writing letter to each ESM.
3. I appreciate you advice to the Higher HQ of IESM and also praise for circulating the miutes of meeting held at Delhi.
Regards
Col CJS khera
9855115050
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From: Ravindran Major
Subject: Re: EMAILS FROM MEMBERS - SET 2 - EMAIL 598/2009 - 13 AUG 09 - (R to S)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 8:58 AM
I have sent the folowing comment:
Rudroneel Ghosh (article in Pioneer on 13 aug) and Dr NarendraKumar exhibit total ignorance of the power of truth.
Admiral Mehta has just made a satement of fact as any soldier/citizen who loves his motherland would recognise. We have a long way from the days of SunTsu and though some of the principles he had enunciated may hold good even today, it is simply not possible today to put on a false facade that could deceive a potential enemy to any worthwhile extent.
Before flexing one's muscles one must ensure that they are worthy of being exhibited!
regards n bw
ravi (Maj PM Ravindaran)
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From: Brij Thapa col_thapa_engrs@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: EMAILS FROM SECY GEN IESM - EMAIL 598/2009 - 13 AUG 09 - (R to Z)
To: "aaa Brig C S Kamboj" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:07 AM
Dear Brig Kamboj Sir, Cordial regards.
Thanks for all the mails. Though I may not be in India but my heart & soul will be with IESM and Doon Valley will also take active part & give full support always & every time to achieve the planned Mission (It is regarding meeting on 30 Aug at Noida).
Brij (Lt Col BM Thapa, Secy General DESL)
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THE END
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 8:45 AM
Sir,
1. Thanks for the informatory email. This is the only way we can come on one platform, if only there is no communication gap.
2. There need more to be done on ground ,as 80% of ESM does not have any source to get informed as to what is being planned by IESM except officers/Jcos with email accounts. I suggest the following-
(a) the Local ESM of area must spread info in English or in local language at the CSD counters, Sainik welfare Centres, ECHS centres , State treasury, Pension paying banks so that more mind join us and participate. This sort of marketing need to be done to ensure maximum voice errupt from ESMcommunity
(b) All ESM org must have ESM Data bank with detailed particulars and contact numbers.
(c) I am in possession such data bank of Distt Roopngar including Chd,Mohali,Morinds,Kharar,Panchkula. This needs to be now updated by writing letter to each ESM.
3. I appreciate you advice to the Higher HQ of IESM and also praise for circulating the miutes of meeting held at Delhi.
Regards
Col CJS khera
9855115050
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From: Ravindran Major
Subject: Re: EMAILS FROM MEMBERS - SET 2 - EMAIL 598/2009 - 13 AUG 09 - (R to S)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 8:58 AM
I have sent the folowing comment:
Rudroneel Ghosh (article in Pioneer on 13 aug) and Dr NarendraKumar exhibit total ignorance of the power of truth.
Admiral Mehta has just made a satement of fact as any soldier/citizen who loves his motherland would recognise. We have a long way from the days of SunTsu and though some of the principles he had enunciated may hold good even today, it is simply not possible today to put on a false facade that could deceive a potential enemy to any worthwhile extent.
Before flexing one's muscles one must ensure that they are worthy of being exhibited!
regards n bw
ravi (Maj PM Ravindaran)
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From: Brij Thapa col_thapa_engrs@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: EMAILS FROM SECY GEN IESM - EMAIL 598/2009 - 13 AUG 09 - (R to Z)
To: "aaa Brig C S Kamboj" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:07 AM
Dear Brig Kamboj Sir, Cordial regards.
Thanks for all the mails. Though I may not be in India but my heart & soul will be with IESM and Doon Valley will also take active part & give full support always & every time to achieve the planned Mission (It is regarding meeting on 30 Aug at Noida).
Brij (Lt Col BM Thapa, Secy General DESL)
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THE END
A REAL DOWNFALL OF INDIAN ARMED FORCES
A REAL DOWNFALL OF INDIAN ARMED FORCES
The implementation of sixth pay commission has drastically changed the warrant of precedence (WoP) for the Indian Armed Forces. The chairperson of UPSC has been upgraded to article 9A over services chiefs (at article 12). He/she used to be earlier at article 17 below Services Chiefs and also below officiating chiefs of the rank of Lt Gen who were on article 16.
Chairperson of SCs and STs were added in article 17. Both these chairpersons are now higher than Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs who are in article 23.
Members of SCs & STs placed at same level of Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs at article 23. What more can one say, even Field Marshall Manekshaw was placed at article 12 below two former civil servants (Brijesh Mishra and Vijay Kapoor). Now, does anyone know what these gentlemen have done for INDIA????
As was well known, Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs were equated with secretaries to Govt. of India on article 23. However, Note 10(c) of the WoP make an interesting distinction: In official functions held at Delhi, Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs of the Army Staff or equivalent in other services will always rank after the secretaries to the Government of India.
Following are the deductions:
1. DIG is now officially equivalent to a Brigadier (Earlier this rank was even junior to a Colonel)
2. Ministry of Home Affairs has declared that all IPS officers shall attain the rank of DIG in 14 year's service.
3. Senior Administrative Grade (SAG) is now officially equivalent to the rank of Major General.
4. Dept of Pers & Trg has declared that all IAS officers shall attain the rank of SAG in 14 year's service.
5. What would be achievable by 100% IPS officers in 14 years would now be achievable by 7% defence officers in 28 years..
6. What would be achievable by 100% IAS officers in 14 years would now be achievable by 2% defence in 33 years.
It is pertinent to mention that the senior most civilian rank in a state was equivalent to a Colonel during independence; whereas, over a period of time, the nation has only seen the downfall our BABUS. Their machinery collapses even with a simple storm, whereas, their protocol has kept on rising. I dont need to mention the professionalism of our Armed Forces; the nation knows this well.
In principle, our politicians need to give an explanation for this remarkable erosion of a soldier's status over the past sixty years, the Generals, too, are equally responsible. They have virtually failed in restoring the pride of their own men whom they command. No wonder, now even they don’t send their children to the Services; they rather prefer beauty contests or becoming Bollywood stars. I don’t blame them also, they have seen it all.
It is high time that we speak up or else only GOD can save this country.
--
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,
The implementation of sixth pay commission has drastically changed the warrant of precedence (WoP) for the Indian Armed Forces. The chairperson of UPSC has been upgraded to article 9A over services chiefs (at article 12). He/she used to be earlier at article 17 below Services Chiefs and also below officiating chiefs of the rank of Lt Gen who were on article 16.
Chairperson of SCs and STs were added in article 17. Both these chairpersons are now higher than Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs who are in article 23.
Members of SCs & STs placed at same level of Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs at article 23. What more can one say, even Field Marshall Manekshaw was placed at article 12 below two former civil servants (Brijesh Mishra and Vijay Kapoor). Now, does anyone know what these gentlemen have done for INDIA????
As was well known, Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs were equated with secretaries to Govt. of India on article 23. However, Note 10(c) of the WoP make an interesting distinction: In official functions held at Delhi, Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs of the Army Staff or equivalent in other services will always rank after the secretaries to the Government of India.
Following are the deductions:
1. DIG is now officially equivalent to a Brigadier (Earlier this rank was even junior to a Colonel)
2. Ministry of Home Affairs has declared that all IPS officers shall attain the rank of DIG in 14 year's service.
3. Senior Administrative Grade (SAG) is now officially equivalent to the rank of Major General.
4. Dept of Pers & Trg has declared that all IAS officers shall attain the rank of SAG in 14 year's service.
5. What would be achievable by 100% IPS officers in 14 years would now be achievable by 7% defence officers in 28 years..
6. What would be achievable by 100% IAS officers in 14 years would now be achievable by 2% defence in 33 years.
It is pertinent to mention that the senior most civilian rank in a state was equivalent to a Colonel during independence; whereas, over a period of time, the nation has only seen the downfall our BABUS. Their machinery collapses even with a simple storm, whereas, their protocol has kept on rising. I dont need to mention the professionalism of our Armed Forces; the nation knows this well.
In principle, our politicians need to give an explanation for this remarkable erosion of a soldier's status over the past sixty years, the Generals, too, are equally responsible. They have virtually failed in restoring the pride of their own men whom they command. No wonder, now even they don’t send their children to the Services; they rather prefer beauty contests or becoming Bollywood stars. I don’t blame them also, they have seen it all.
It is high time that we speak up or else only GOD can save this country.
--
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,
Mail from Lt Gen Bahri...
Hats off to Cdr Balaji. Great work being done without worrying which service the individual belongs. May he continue doing this. I am rather surprised that no one has volunteered to take on this kind of service to their colleagues in uniform.
We have also started in a small way in Som Vihar to see that 85 widow residents of ours get their dues be it their pension arrears or addl 20% on attaining age of 80 yrs. The banks and PCDA have to be pushed to see that they get their dues.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd
We have also started in a small way in Som Vihar to see that 85 widow residents of ours get their dues be it their pension arrears or addl 20% on attaining age of 80 yrs. The banks and PCDA have to be pushed to see that they get their dues.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd
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