From: Chaitanya [mailto:chait_any@yahoo.com]
Sent: 19 November 2009 13:19
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: LET'S SALUTE OUR BAND OF BROTHERS - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 778/2009 - 17 NOV 09 (A to G)
for those who lament about lack of memorials in India, have to only look towards state of UP- why we have hundreds of statues of someone called mayawati and her mentors - thousands of crore rupees have been spent on erecting these "memorials" in stone!
with our value system and priorities, as they stand, this is what we deserve and get.
as regards some of us cribbing about what pension and perks people in other walks of life/professions/service get and then want to compare them with soldiers my humble request is to understand that NO ONE GIVES OTHERS ANYTHING. IT IS THE ABILITY AND POWER TO TAKE WHAT YOU CAN. IF YOU HAVE THE POWERS OR THE CLOUT OR THE ABILITY TO HOLD THE COUNTRY TO RANSOM YOU CAN "TAKE" WHAT YOU WANT. NO ONE GIVES IT TO YOU UNLESS YOU TAKE IT YOURSELF.
until we the soldier understand this simple fact of life we will keep striving, begging, pleading and
living in fools paradise.
best regards
chaitanya prakash
Thursday, November 19, 2009
Monday, November 16, 2009
Views of Cmde Brijesh on Draft Direct Tax Code
From: Brijesh brijesh.gupta@gmail.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 6:06:21 PM
Subject: Draft Direct Tax Code
Dear Brig Kamboj,
The Draft Direct Tax Code, which will replace the present IT Act 1961 upon enactment, has been placed in public domain for discussion. The code has a number of provisions which if enacted without amendment, may take away some of the benefits currently available to the veterans. The provisions ,as currently drafted, may curtail the list of gallantry awards entitled to IT benefits as also the benefit for persons with disability pension. I have not seen any discussion in the IESM on these important issues that may hit the beneficiaries from 01 Apr 11, when the new code kicks in.
My suggestion to IESM therefore is to consider setting of a dedicated but broad based group consisting of veterans with experience in law, pay and allowances, gallantry award winners and persons in receipt of disability pension to examine the draft code and propose amendments. Once the amendments have generally been agreed to, then these could be forwarded to members of the mailing list for forwarding to appropriate agency in the Government for consideration.
It is my understanding that the proposed amendments will be examined by a committee before the draft is finalised and tabled in parliament for approval.
regards,
Brijesh,
Cmde(retd)
(Cmde Brijesh’s suggestion has been forwarded to the IESM Steering Committee for consideration – Chander Kamboj)
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 6:06:21 PM
Subject: Draft Direct Tax Code
Dear Brig Kamboj,
The Draft Direct Tax Code, which will replace the present IT Act 1961 upon enactment, has been placed in public domain for discussion. The code has a number of provisions which if enacted without amendment, may take away some of the benefits currently available to the veterans. The provisions ,as currently drafted, may curtail the list of gallantry awards entitled to IT benefits as also the benefit for persons with disability pension. I have not seen any discussion in the IESM on these important issues that may hit the beneficiaries from 01 Apr 11, when the new code kicks in.
My suggestion to IESM therefore is to consider setting of a dedicated but broad based group consisting of veterans with experience in law, pay and allowances, gallantry award winners and persons in receipt of disability pension to examine the draft code and propose amendments. Once the amendments have generally been agreed to, then these could be forwarded to members of the mailing list for forwarding to appropriate agency in the Government for consideration.
It is my understanding that the proposed amendments will be examined by a committee before the draft is finalised and tabled in parliament for approval.
regards,
Brijesh,
Cmde(retd)
(Cmde Brijesh’s suggestion has been forwarded to the IESM Steering Committee for consideration – Chander Kamboj)
Veteran's day by Veteran Pradeep Sharma
From: pradeep sharma
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)"
Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 9:52:42 PM
Subject: Fwd: The Chronicle
On the occasion of veteran's day in the US.
Thought this may be circulated.
The item is from a newsletter forwarded by the patriot post.
pls see link below
http://patriotpost.us/
Regards
Pradeep Sharma
(Wg Cdr Pradeep Sharma, Noida)
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http://patriotpost.us/edition/2009/11/11/chronicle/print/
Chronicle
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
The Foundation
"Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have grown not only gray, but almost blind in the service of my country." --George Washington
Veterans Day
Today is Veterans Day. We encourage all Patriots to set aside time and reflect on the sacrifice of our Patriot veterans and those serving today, and honor them accordingly.
On Nov. 11, 1921, an unknown American soldier from World War I was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, in recognition of WWI veterans and in conjunction with the timing of cessation of hostilities at 11 a.m., Nov. 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). President Warren Harding requested that: "All ... citizens ... indulge in a period of silent thanks to God for these ... valorous lives and of supplication for His Divine mercy ... on our beloved country." Inscribed on the Tomb are the words: "Here lies in honored glory an American soldier know but to God." The day became known as "Armistice Day." In 1954, Congress, wanting to recognize the sacrifice of veterans since WWI, proposed to change Armistice Day to Veterans Day in their honor. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, former Supreme Commander in WWII, signed the legislation.
To honor those veterans who sacrificed all, an Army honor guard from the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard) keeps day and night vigil at Arlington. At 11 a.m. this morning, a combined color guard representing all military service branches executed "Present Arms" at the tomb for the laying of a wreath by the president, followed by "Taps."
More than a million Patriots stand ready, or are actively defending our nation today. These men and women were not drafted into service, but volunteered to serve. To all our veterans: Thank you for your dedicated service to the cause of liberty.
To the wounded soldiers and civilians, and the families of those killeld or wounded at Fort Hood: Our prayers are with you.
Mark Alexander will have more on Veterans Day in his essay tomorrow, dedicated to the service of two notable veterans.
Insight
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse." --John Stuart Mill
"A really great people, proud and high-spirited, would face all the disasters of war rather than purchase that base prosperity which is bought at the price of national honor." --Theodore Roosevelt
"Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory." --George S. Patton
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." --Sir Winston S. Churchill
"It is, in a way, an odd thing to honor those who died in defense of our country ... in wars far away. The imagination plays a trick. We see these soldiers in our mind as old and wise. We see them as something like the Founding Fathers, grave and gray-haired. But most of them were boys when they died, and they gave up two lives -- the one they were living and the one they would have lived. When they died, they gave up their chance to be husbands and fathers and grandfathers. They gave up their chance to be revered old men. They gave up everything for their country, for us. All we can do is remember." --Ronald Reagan
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To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)"
Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 9:52:42 PM
Subject: Fwd: The Chronicle
On the occasion of veteran's day in the US.
Thought this may be circulated.
The item is from a newsletter forwarded by the patriot post.
pls see link below
http://patriotpost.us/
Regards
Pradeep Sharma
(Wg Cdr Pradeep Sharma, Noida)
--------
http://patriotpost.us/edition/2009/11/11/chronicle/print/
Chronicle
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
The Foundation
"Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have grown not only gray, but almost blind in the service of my country." --George Washington
Veterans Day
Today is Veterans Day. We encourage all Patriots to set aside time and reflect on the sacrifice of our Patriot veterans and those serving today, and honor them accordingly.
On Nov. 11, 1921, an unknown American soldier from World War I was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, in recognition of WWI veterans and in conjunction with the timing of cessation of hostilities at 11 a.m., Nov. 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). President Warren Harding requested that: "All ... citizens ... indulge in a period of silent thanks to God for these ... valorous lives and of supplication for His Divine mercy ... on our beloved country." Inscribed on the Tomb are the words: "Here lies in honored glory an American soldier know but to God." The day became known as "Armistice Day." In 1954, Congress, wanting to recognize the sacrifice of veterans since WWI, proposed to change Armistice Day to Veterans Day in their honor. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, former Supreme Commander in WWII, signed the legislation.
To honor those veterans who sacrificed all, an Army honor guard from the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard) keeps day and night vigil at Arlington. At 11 a.m. this morning, a combined color guard representing all military service branches executed "Present Arms" at the tomb for the laying of a wreath by the president, followed by "Taps."
More than a million Patriots stand ready, or are actively defending our nation today. These men and women were not drafted into service, but volunteered to serve. To all our veterans: Thank you for your dedicated service to the cause of liberty.
To the wounded soldiers and civilians, and the families of those killeld or wounded at Fort Hood: Our prayers are with you.
Mark Alexander will have more on Veterans Day in his essay tomorrow, dedicated to the service of two notable veterans.
Insight
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse." --John Stuart Mill
"A really great people, proud and high-spirited, would face all the disasters of war rather than purchase that base prosperity which is bought at the price of national honor." --Theodore Roosevelt
"Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory." --George S. Patton
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." --Sir Winston S. Churchill
"It is, in a way, an odd thing to honor those who died in defense of our country ... in wars far away. The imagination plays a trick. We see these soldiers in our mind as old and wise. We see them as something like the Founding Fathers, grave and gray-haired. But most of them were boys when they died, and they gave up two lives -- the one they were living and the one they would have lived. When they died, they gave up their chance to be husbands and fathers and grandfathers. They gave up their chance to be revered old men. They gave up everything for their country, for us. All we can do is remember." --Ronald Reagan
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Tuesday, November 3, 2009
Views by Lt Gen KM Seth on Letter by Lt Gen Bahi
From: krish seth [mailto:sethkrish2006@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 31 October 2009 17:09
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: EMAIL FROM LT GEN SK BAHRI -
"REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 745/2009 - 30 OCT 09 (H to Z)
Ref Gen Bahris letter, if you wish I can have the letter delivered to the leader of the opposition.Kindly let me have the letter.
With Best wishes.
Gen Seth.
(Lt Gen KM Seth, held the Constitutional post of Governor of Tripura,and Chhatisgarh from June 2000 to Jan 2008. Presently at Noida - 0120 2430909, 9811224400 )
Sent: 31 October 2009 17:09
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: EMAIL FROM LT GEN SK BAHRI -
"REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 745/2009 - 30 OCT 09 (H to Z)
Ref Gen Bahris letter, if you wish I can have the letter delivered to the leader of the opposition.Kindly let me have the letter.
With Best wishes.
Gen Seth.
(Lt Gen KM Seth, held the Constitutional post of Governor of Tripura,and Chhatisgarh from June 2000 to Jan 2008. Presently at Noida - 0120 2430909, 9811224400 )
Friday, October 30, 2009
Views of veteran Nawab
Dear Col Gill,
I personally appreciate your concern and compassion for ESM.We need more and more senior Veterans like you who are bold,truthful and concerned on disunity.
I am sure there have been mistakes from both sides,though i have no complain on Brig kamboj,s blog who has tried to render impartial service.
Can we once again request all ESM to unite and forget any wrong happened in the past.
We can both request all like minded veterans to project their voice.
Regards,
Nawab - a Veteran
I personally appreciate your concern and compassion for ESM.We need more and more senior Veterans like you who are bold,truthful and concerned on disunity.
I am sure there have been mistakes from both sides,though i have no complain on Brig kamboj,s blog who has tried to render impartial service.
Can we once again request all ESM to unite and forget any wrong happened in the past.
We can both request all like minded veterans to project their voice.
Regards,
Nawab - a Veteran
Monday, October 26, 2009
Views of Col Raman on Medals return..25 Oct 2009
From: ramantn sarma colram40@yahoo.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED ;
Sent: Sun, 25 October, 2009 10:28:03 PM
Subject: Re: [indianveterans] ESM sitrep 25 Oct evening
Dear General Raj Kadyan,
Kindly accept our congratulations for implementing the programme of depositing the medals today, even at the cost of some negative publicity indulged in by some of our own "Well Wishers".
I do not know whether the Delhi based TV Channels covered the event live or not. But the DMK sponsored Sun TV gave adequate coverage to your talk & a few of the other Veterans, in their 7 PM as well as 8 PM news today.
Well done. It will be a great morale booster to the IESM as well as the ESM community at large.
Best Wishes,
Veteran Raman
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From: prabhjot singh prabhjot_singh0@yahoo.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Fri, 23 October, 2009 1:47:17 PM
Subject: Repot my signal
Dear Veteran (Brig.) Kamboj,
Regards.Find below a copy of our communique faxed to authorities regarding OROP for underprivileged veterans. Please post the same on 'Repot my Signal' blog,if you deem it fit, for the information of underprivileged veterans. I shall be obliged.
Veteran Prabhjot Singh chhatwal PLS Retd.
President,
Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh,
Mob.098554-09128,Tele-Fax.0175-5000896.
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Tele-Fax 0175-5000896
Mob.098554-09128
INDIAN EX-SERVICES LEAGUE
PUNJAB & CHANDIGARH
(Regd. under Societies Registration Act XXI of 1860)
3-GURU RAM DASS NAGAR, PATIALA, PUNJAB -147 004
IESL/13/2009 Dt. 23 Oct.2009
To
6th Pay Commission Cell (Army),
Adjutant General Branch,
Room No. 1, 'A' Wing, Sena Bhawan,
Integrated Hq. of MoD (Army),
New Delhi -110 105.
Sub. POST SIXTH CPC DEMANDS
Dear Col. Puneet Kapoor,
1. Please refer to your DO letter C/7086/VI-PCC ( Army ) dt.02.09.2009 in above connection.
2. Please advise the latest position of OROP as announced by the Govt in budget on 06-07- 2009.
3. We further request Ministry of Defence to restrict usage of nasty term ' PBOR' for JCOs, SNCOs, NCOs and other ranks as this section of veterans think it as most humiliating when addressed as such. Some other proper and respectable term may be coined as a substitute to this term.
An early response will be highly appreciated.
Sd/-
( Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.)
President.
Copy to: PCDA (P) Allhabad w,r.t. their letter No. Gts/Tech/165III
dt. 29 .09.2009. &nb sp;
Sd/-
President
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From: colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
To: sadhusohi@gmail.com
Subject: RE: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:37:44 -0700
Dear Col Sohi,
It’s counter-productive… Perhaps the better way would be to build your NGO on positive note by lending hands to those who are working for the welfare of ESM including OROP demand. In case your group feel depositing medals is not a good idea then don’t do it. But, flashing mail to all and everyone showing dissension isn’t in good taste. I may, if you will, mention that for reasons’ best known to you all, if reconciliation through a dialogue is not possible, you may consider arbitration to resolve the hurting issues. As a responsible ESM community, let’s not give a chance to others’ to laugh at us.
May I humbly request you to take this mail on its face value and not try to read in between the lines and interpret to counter my email for the sake of shooting me down? My interjection is only prompted by a feeling of brotherhood…
May God Bless you!
Warm regards,
Sincerely,
Viru Swarup
(Col Virendra Swarup is from Poona Horse. Commanded 44 Armored Regiment. The last appointment held before he got invalidated out of military service was MS, HQ 10 Corps. In one of the freak accident he lost his eye sight. A soldier with great courage and determination, making best of the life. - Chander Kamboj)
......
From: bhupal singh bsec234@hotmail.com
To: Col Sohi SS sadhusohi@gmail.com
Cc: Col Swarup Viru colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
Sent: Sat, 24 October, 2009 11:52:15 AM
Subject: FW: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon
Dear All,
I appreciate the sound and brotherly advice cum suggestions of Col Swarup. We shall make ourselves a laughing stock of Govt ( politicians ), bureaucracy and others. Our sites are constantly monitored by all those who matter and they know exactly as to what is
transpiring over our blogs.
IESM has become a formiddable movement in its own right and it has instilled a feeling of confidence amongst us all. Disunity at this stage will result in a fragmented ESM Movement and our mission will remain a myth for ever. You are all experienced, wise and competent leaders of our Movement in your own way. Let us all join hands and take it forward instead of killing it half way. As reagrds your differences, I also feel that the course suggested by Col Swarup is the right way.
I assume, you will give a re-think to your ideas and adopt a course favourable to a joint movement, since our individual efforts will not bear the results.
With regards & best wishes to all of you,
Bhupal Singh, veteran
Australia
---------------
From: generalhoon generalhoon@yahoo.com
Subject:
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED,
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 12:58 PM
Dear All,
Latest interview Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM available on net www.therkbshow.com if interested you may browse the site.
Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM
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From: Krishan K Punchhi kkpunchhi@yahoo.ca
To: DELETED
Sent: Thu, 22 October, 2009 9:12:46 PM
Subject: ADMIRAL MEHTA AND NEW ZEALAND
Dear Friends,
Appointment of Admiral Mehta to NZ seems to have generated a heated and healthy debate. Allow me to talk about two personalities.
First one is Gen Raina. Someone told me that he too headed an Indian mission abroad after he retired. Friends have mentioned many names but not his. Thought I'll point it out.
I wonder how many know that before imposing emergency, IG proposed to him that he declare and impose martial law, get everything under control and working smoothly as per her desires, and then hand over the country back to her. He just refused, saying that there was no call for martial law to be imposed and also that it was better not to have the armed forces meddling in politics. She was surprised and disappointed as she thought that the two will click well on a Kashmiri net !! This info came my way only a couple of weeks ago. The source is totally reliable.
The second is Admiral Ronnie Periera. A friend pointed out that he was left out because he stood up to IG and was about to be sacked. He said that 'better sense' prevailed and he was not sacked. My info says that the next man, VADM Barboza, was asked to come to New Delhi in a BSF plane and take over. He just refused to do so. Is that why he was not made the next CNS ?
He refused to do to Ronnie Periera what Sushil Kumar did to Vishnu Bhagwat a few years later !!
Regards............K K Punchhi
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From: vpsachar@vsnl.net [mailto:vpsachar@vsnl.net]
Sent: 26 October 2009 06:18
To: Kamboj Chander; indianveterans@yahoogroups.com
Cc: indianveterans@yahoogroups.com; sacharv@ymail.com
Subject: Re: ESM SITREP 25 OCT 09 - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 732/2009 - 25 OCT 09(H to Z)
God bless all and wishing a speedy recovery to Maj DC Gupta.
THE BEST AND MOST TOUCHY E-MAIL ON HUMAN RELATIONS BY THE VETETANS.
Regards to all.
VPS
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From: Lt Col Inderjit singh gill isgill@rediffmail.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED;
Sent: Mon, 26 October, 2009 10:43:32 AM
Subject: Re: Navdeep's Blog : TELEPHONE REIMBURSEMENT
Dear All,
Going through Major Navdeep Singh's Blog (thanks to Capt Reet), I found mention of "Office Memorandum" of Govt of India, Ministry of Finance, Dept of Expenditure dated 14 Nov, 2007 regading REIMBURSEMENT of telephone / mobile charges to Central Govt officers (incl Services).
Having served in SIGNALS for 23 years, I am certain that ARMY (rather SERVICES) would have not told its people about this entitlement even in 2009 !! Do we balme BABU for this.
May I request through this email to put wise our friends in Uniform about it so that draw what their civil counterparts are drawing.
Warm Regards
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THE END
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED ;
Sent: Sun, 25 October, 2009 10:28:03 PM
Subject: Re: [indianveterans] ESM sitrep 25 Oct evening
Dear General Raj Kadyan,
Kindly accept our congratulations for implementing the programme of depositing the medals today, even at the cost of some negative publicity indulged in by some of our own "Well Wishers".
I do not know whether the Delhi based TV Channels covered the event live or not. But the DMK sponsored Sun TV gave adequate coverage to your talk & a few of the other Veterans, in their 7 PM as well as 8 PM news today.
Well done. It will be a great morale booster to the IESM as well as the ESM community at large.
Best Wishes,
Veteran Raman
----------------
From: prabhjot singh prabhjot_singh0@yahoo.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Fri, 23 October, 2009 1:47:17 PM
Subject: Repot my signal
Dear Veteran (Brig.) Kamboj,
Regards.Find below a copy of our communique faxed to authorities regarding OROP for underprivileged veterans. Please post the same on 'Repot my Signal' blog,if you deem it fit, for the information of underprivileged veterans. I shall be obliged.
Veteran Prabhjot Singh chhatwal PLS Retd.
President,
Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh,
Mob.098554-09128,Tele-Fax.0175-5000896.
-----------
Tele-Fax 0175-5000896
Mob.098554-09128
INDIAN EX-SERVICES LEAGUE
PUNJAB & CHANDIGARH
(Regd. under Societies Registration Act XXI of 1860)
3-GURU RAM DASS NAGAR, PATIALA, PUNJAB -147 004
IESL/13/2009 Dt. 23 Oct.2009
To
6th Pay Commission Cell (Army),
Adjutant General Branch,
Room No. 1, 'A' Wing, Sena Bhawan,
Integrated Hq. of MoD (Army),
New Delhi -110 105.
Sub. POST SIXTH CPC DEMANDS
Dear Col. Puneet Kapoor,
1. Please refer to your DO letter C/7086/VI-PCC ( Army ) dt.02.09.2009 in above connection.
2. Please advise the latest position of OROP as announced by the Govt in budget on 06-07- 2009.
3. We further request Ministry of Defence to restrict usage of nasty term ' PBOR' for JCOs, SNCOs, NCOs and other ranks as this section of veterans think it as most humiliating when addressed as such. Some other proper and respectable term may be coined as a substitute to this term.
An early response will be highly appreciated.
Sd/-
( Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.)
President.
Copy to: PCDA (P) Allhabad w,r.t. their letter No. Gts/Tech/165III
dt. 29 .09.2009. &nb sp;
Sd/-
President
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From: colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
To: sadhusohi@gmail.com
Subject: RE: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:37:44 -0700
Dear Col Sohi,
It’s counter-productive… Perhaps the better way would be to build your NGO on positive note by lending hands to those who are working for the welfare of ESM including OROP demand. In case your group feel depositing medals is not a good idea then don’t do it. But, flashing mail to all and everyone showing dissension isn’t in good taste. I may, if you will, mention that for reasons’ best known to you all, if reconciliation through a dialogue is not possible, you may consider arbitration to resolve the hurting issues. As a responsible ESM community, let’s not give a chance to others’ to laugh at us.
May I humbly request you to take this mail on its face value and not try to read in between the lines and interpret to counter my email for the sake of shooting me down? My interjection is only prompted by a feeling of brotherhood…
May God Bless you!
Warm regards,
Sincerely,
Viru Swarup
(Col Virendra Swarup is from Poona Horse. Commanded 44 Armored Regiment. The last appointment held before he got invalidated out of military service was MS, HQ 10 Corps. In one of the freak accident he lost his eye sight. A soldier with great courage and determination, making best of the life. - Chander Kamboj)
......
From: bhupal singh bsec234@hotmail.com
To: Col Sohi SS sadhusohi@gmail.com
Cc: Col Swarup Viru colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
Sent: Sat, 24 October, 2009 11:52:15 AM
Subject: FW: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon
Dear All,
I appreciate the sound and brotherly advice cum suggestions of Col Swarup. We shall make ourselves a laughing stock of Govt ( politicians ), bureaucracy and others. Our sites are constantly monitored by all those who matter and they know exactly as to what is
transpiring over our blogs.
IESM has become a formiddable movement in its own right and it has instilled a feeling of confidence amongst us all. Disunity at this stage will result in a fragmented ESM Movement and our mission will remain a myth for ever. You are all experienced, wise and competent leaders of our Movement in your own way. Let us all join hands and take it forward instead of killing it half way. As reagrds your differences, I also feel that the course suggested by Col Swarup is the right way.
I assume, you will give a re-think to your ideas and adopt a course favourable to a joint movement, since our individual efforts will not bear the results.
With regards & best wishes to all of you,
Bhupal Singh, veteran
Australia
---------------
From: generalhoon generalhoon@yahoo.com
Subject:
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED,
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 12:58 PM
Dear All,
Latest interview Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM available on net www.therkbshow.com if interested you may browse the site.
Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM
--------------
From: Krishan K Punchhi kkpunchhi@yahoo.ca
To: DELETED
Sent: Thu, 22 October, 2009 9:12:46 PM
Subject: ADMIRAL MEHTA AND NEW ZEALAND
Dear Friends,
Appointment of Admiral Mehta to NZ seems to have generated a heated and healthy debate. Allow me to talk about two personalities.
First one is Gen Raina. Someone told me that he too headed an Indian mission abroad after he retired. Friends have mentioned many names but not his. Thought I'll point it out.
I wonder how many know that before imposing emergency, IG proposed to him that he declare and impose martial law, get everything under control and working smoothly as per her desires, and then hand over the country back to her. He just refused, saying that there was no call for martial law to be imposed and also that it was better not to have the armed forces meddling in politics. She was surprised and disappointed as she thought that the two will click well on a Kashmiri net !! This info came my way only a couple of weeks ago. The source is totally reliable.
The second is Admiral Ronnie Periera. A friend pointed out that he was left out because he stood up to IG and was about to be sacked. He said that 'better sense' prevailed and he was not sacked. My info says that the next man, VADM Barboza, was asked to come to New Delhi in a BSF plane and take over. He just refused to do so. Is that why he was not made the next CNS ?
He refused to do to Ronnie Periera what Sushil Kumar did to Vishnu Bhagwat a few years later !!
Regards............K K Punchhi
-------------
From: vpsachar@vsnl.net [mailto:vpsachar@vsnl.net]
Sent: 26 October 2009 06:18
To: Kamboj Chander; indianveterans@yahoogroups.com
Cc: indianveterans@yahoogroups.com; sacharv@ymail.com
Subject: Re: ESM SITREP 25 OCT 09 - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 732/2009 - 25 OCT 09(H to Z)
God bless all and wishing a speedy recovery to Maj DC Gupta.
THE BEST AND MOST TOUCHY E-MAIL ON HUMAN RELATIONS BY THE VETETANS.
Regards to all.
VPS
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From: Lt Col Inderjit singh gill isgill@rediffmail.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED;
Sent: Mon, 26 October, 2009 10:43:32 AM
Subject: Re: Navdeep's Blog : TELEPHONE REIMBURSEMENT
Dear All,
Going through Major Navdeep Singh's Blog (thanks to Capt Reet), I found mention of "Office Memorandum" of Govt of India, Ministry of Finance, Dept of Expenditure dated 14 Nov, 2007 regading REIMBURSEMENT of telephone / mobile charges to Central Govt officers (incl Services).
Having served in SIGNALS for 23 years, I am certain that ARMY (rather SERVICES) would have not told its people about this entitlement even in 2009 !! Do we balme BABU for this.
May I request through this email to put wise our friends in Uniform about it so that draw what their civil counterparts are drawing.
Warm Regards
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THE END
Sunday, October 25, 2009
Views on OROP by Wg.Cdr.S.P.Choudhary,
From: S.P.Choudhary [mailto:spc3@airtelmail.in]
Sent: 25 October 2009 08:23
To: Kamboj Chander
Cc: Arjun Verma
Subject: Re: EMAIL FROM VICE CHAIRMAN IESM - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 728/2009 - 24 OCT 09 (A to G)
Respected Leadership of ESMs,
Nothing at all is going to come out of our 'Cry in the wilderness ' for OROP or any other demands for the simple reason that it is not some thing that will hurt the adversary. No one ever cares to responds for altruistic reasons. Some response could have been expected before Parliamentary Elections. Now that the Parliamentary Elections are over, no one cares for our voice, campaign etc.
Just recall that a single Col. Bhonsala ( I apologize if I am not quoting his name correctly ) the leader of GUJJAR agitation, shook the entire State Govt. and also the country. We now have hundreds of Cols , right up to Generals, but we have hardly been able to get worth while reaction.
For every Campaign one has to employ a suitable strategy. That has to be devised on study and analysis of 'Strength and Weakness of our own and also that of the adversary. Our insistence on following our old Military Ethos when we are no more in Military, is only due to our FEAR of legal action by the Govt. and it is not an objective Strategy which, has to be devised on consideration of the adversary ( the enemy ) and the one which will hit or hurt the enemy, sufficiently. Once the Elections are over, no one is bothered about our whining.
What we thought of as a very potent weapon of returning our DEAR MEDALS, has fallen flat, whether we admit it or not.
All decisions, ultimately are by the politicians. Babus are their foot soldiers and modify their approach on the lines their political bosses are likely to listen to.
Our so called agitation did bring some response before elections and then also more due to pressure of the Serving Commanders.
So, unless we can re-orientate our approach, we should suspend all actions,because in the present form even the civilian population is getting wary of our noise, and in due course we will loose not only their sympathy but also their respect.
Yours etc,
Wg.Cdr.S.P.Choudhary, VSM (Retd.)
Sent: 25 October 2009 08:23
To: Kamboj Chander
Cc: Arjun Verma
Subject: Re: EMAIL FROM VICE CHAIRMAN IESM - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 728/2009 - 24 OCT 09 (A to G)
Respected Leadership of ESMs,
Nothing at all is going to come out of our 'Cry in the wilderness ' for OROP or any other demands for the simple reason that it is not some thing that will hurt the adversary. No one ever cares to responds for altruistic reasons. Some response could have been expected before Parliamentary Elections. Now that the Parliamentary Elections are over, no one cares for our voice, campaign etc.
Just recall that a single Col. Bhonsala ( I apologize if I am not quoting his name correctly ) the leader of GUJJAR agitation, shook the entire State Govt. and also the country. We now have hundreds of Cols , right up to Generals, but we have hardly been able to get worth while reaction.
For every Campaign one has to employ a suitable strategy. That has to be devised on study and analysis of 'Strength and Weakness of our own and also that of the adversary. Our insistence on following our old Military Ethos when we are no more in Military, is only due to our FEAR of legal action by the Govt. and it is not an objective Strategy which, has to be devised on consideration of the adversary ( the enemy ) and the one which will hit or hurt the enemy, sufficiently. Once the Elections are over, no one is bothered about our whining.
What we thought of as a very potent weapon of returning our DEAR MEDALS, has fallen flat, whether we admit it or not.
All decisions, ultimately are by the politicians. Babus are their foot soldiers and modify their approach on the lines their political bosses are likely to listen to.
Our so called agitation did bring some response before elections and then also more due to pressure of the Serving Commanders.
So, unless we can re-orientate our approach, we should suspend all actions,because in the present form even the civilian population is getting wary of our noise, and in due course we will loose not only their sympathy but also their respect.
Yours etc,
Wg.Cdr.S.P.Choudhary, VSM (Retd.)
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