Donation by Veteran's

Brig JP Singh and Brig Kamboj motivated ESM all over

2011-02-21T03:22:00.000-08:00

Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.

Reference SITREP below.
It was Brig JP Singh, Signals, a Veteran at Secunderabad, who collected a large sum from civilians, and presented it to IESM on 15th Feb 2011, the Signal Corps Centenary Day.
He virtually went around with a hat in his hand, in and around Hyderabad/ Secunderabad, to ensure that maximum possible collection are made for the forthcoming rally of IESM.

While many a veterans also responded most sympathetically to my appeal – majority did not respond at all; it is a pity - any way I assure YOU ALL, ‘i’ will continue to respond to all your demands.

On behalf of YOU ALL, ‘i’ thank Brig JP Singh for his great effort.

‘i’ also thank all the Veterans, who very generously responded to my appeal for contributions for the IESM Rally on 06 Mar 11.
Thank you SIRS. Without your generosity – funding for the rally would have been very difficult.

Vande Matram
In service of Indian Military Veterans
Chander Kamboj.
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Contributions by Col MM Kakar Rs 10000

2011-02-09T23:49:00.001-08:00

From: Mohan Kakar [mailto:mohan@itintellectuals.com]
Sent: 10 February 2011 00:09
To: CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in
Cc: seekayess@gmail.com
Subject:

Hi Chander,

I wish to contribute Rs 10,000/- to IESM for Rally on 6 MAR 2011. Money will be transferred electronically. Donation Form is attached

Regards

Lt. Col.M.M. Kakar (Red)

Contribution Col Satish B Puri Rs 10000

2011-02-09T23:44:00.002-08:00

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From: Satish Puri [mailto:satishbpuri@yahoo.com]
Sent: 08 February 2011 17:17
To: Report My Signal (Chander Kamboj)
Subject: Re: MOST HUMBLE APPEAL TO ALL MEMBERS TO DONATE FUNDS FOR THE RALLY OF MILITARY VETERANS ON 06 MAR 11 - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 055/2011 - 06 FEB 2011 (LIST-4)

Rs 10k being deposited in IESM HDFC a/c today. Pl confirm receipt. Donation form att.

Col Satish B Puri (Hyderabad)

Contribution by Col Jaspal Minhas Rs 5000

2011-02-09T23:44:00.001-08:00

From: Ved Ahuja [mailto:vedahuja2@yahoo.com]

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From: Jaspal minhas [mailto:jsminhas@yahoo.com]
Sent: 08 February 2011 11:32
To: CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in; CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in
Subject: CONTRIBUTION-MARCH RALLY

Dear Brig Kamboj Sir,

Rs 5000/=has been sent through NEFT in IESM a/c06162000001330,
HDFC Bank Palam Vihar GURGAON ON 08feb2011.
Regards,
Col Jaspal Minhas (Retd)
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From: Satish Puri [mailto:satishbpuri@yahoo.com]
Sent: 08 February 2011 17:17
To: Report My Signal (Chander Kamboj)
Subject: Re: MOST HUMBLE APPEAL TO ALL MEMBERS TO DONATE FUNDS FOR THE RALLY OF MILITARY VETERANS ON 06 MAR 11 - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 055/2011 - 06 FEB 2011 (LIST-4)

Rs 10k being deposited in IESM HDFC a/c today. Pl confirm receipt. Donation form att.

Col Satish B Puri (Hyderabad)

Contribution by Brig VK Ahuja Rs 10000

2011-02-09T23:43:00.001-08:00

From: Ved Ahuja [mailto:vedahuja2@yahoo.com]
Sent: 08 February 2011 09:50
To: CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in
Subject: CONTRIBUTION FOR RALLY 6 MAR 2011

My dear Chander,

I am making arrangements with my Bank to transfer a sum of Rs 10000/

Regards

Brig V K Ahuja
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From: Jaspal minhas [mailto:jsminhas@yahoo.com]
Sent: 08 February 2011 11:32
To: CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in; CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in
Subject: CONTRIBUTION-MARCH RALLY

Dear Brig Kamboj Sir,

Rs 5000/=has been sent through NEFT in IESM a/c06162000001330,
HDFC Bank Palam Vihar GURGAON ON 08feb2011.
Regards,
Col Jaspal Minhas (Retd)
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From: Satish Puri [mailto:satishbpuri@yahoo.com]
Sent: 08 February 2011 17:17
To: Report My Signal (Chander Kamboj)
Subject: Re: MOST HUMBLE APPEAL TO ALL MEMBERS TO DONATE FUNDS FOR THE RALLY OF MILITARY VETERANS ON 06 MAR 11 - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 055/2011 - 06 FEB 2011 (LIST-4)

Rs 10k being deposited in IESM HDFC a/c today. Pl confirm receipt. Donation form att.

Col Satish B Puri (Hyderabad)

Donation by Lt Gen Ahuja Rs 10000 and Maj DV Rao

2011-02-08T00:06:00.000-08:00

Dear Sir

The following Donations have been gratefully received and amount deposited in the account.

Lt Gen I M Ahuja 10000/-
Maj DVR Rao 1000/-
The HDFC Bank receipt is enclosed as also the Donation forms.

Also enclosed is a note from Lt Gen Ahuja.

Thank you Gen Ahuja and Maj Rao for your kind generosity.

Brgds

Pathak

Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak
Member Governing Body and Pension Cell IESM
1 Surashri,1146 Lakaki Road

Donation by Mrs Patil Rs 10000

2011-02-03T23:23:00.001-08:00

From: sushan1005@yahoo.com
Subject: Mrs Lalita Patil's surprise visit
To: raviwarsha@gmail.com
CC: pensioncell_iesm@yahoogroups.co.in

Dear Ravi,
Mrs Lalita Ashok Patil w/o late Wg Cdr Ashok Patil called on us yesterday. I had settled her pension arrears etc about six months back. She stays at Kolhapur and thus I had forgotten about this case.She wanted to become member of IESM but could not visit Pune all these days.I gave her application form and asked to donate voluntarily. She gave me a cheque for Rs 10,000/- alongwith the application.She has also, on my request ,agreed to assemble exclusive meet for widows at Kolhapur in next few months. I have handed over additional membership forms for this purpose.
I will be handing over her application and cheque this evening to you.
We must promptly send her a donation receipt. Cdr NP Jain's receipt is still awaited.
BRGDS,
Gp Capt SS Phatak(retd)

Donation Rs 3000 Col Diwakar

2011-01-24T23:55:00.000-08:00

From: Col Diwakar [mailto:col.diwakar@gmail.com]
Sent: 24 January 2011 12:25
To: CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in; vk_gandhi@yahoo.com
Cc: Rajendra Jain; Anil Gogate; Arun Lal; Kumar CS; Viji VELOHAR INFRA; Kamesh; Saini RP; Sudhir Saini; Basu; Farook; asokan.col@gmail.com; Sravasti
Subject: DONATION
Importance: High

Dear Sirs,

I have already deposited a sum of ` 3,000/- into the Bank A/C of IESM. Details are as given below. Best of luck for the event

Donation Rs 20000

2011-01-24T23:54:00.000-08:00

From: … deleted …
Sent: 23 January 2011 21:34
To: Report My Signal (Chander Kamboj)
Cc: vk_gandhi@yahoo.com
Subject: AN APPEAL TO ALL INDIAN MILITARY VETERANS SPREAD ALL OVER THE WORLD - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 026/2011 - 22 JAN (LIST-5)

Dear brig chander Kamboj and Gp Capt VK Gandhi,
In response to your appeal for the rally on 06 march 2011, i have great pleasure in committing Rs 20,000(Rupees Twenty Thousand only) towards the anticipated expenditure on tea and water. since i am away from india, i have told my wife at chennai to remit the amount into the HDFC bank account of IESM by the end of the month. after the remittance, i will send you the donation form by email. Kindly ack by email when received.

2. I will appreciate no publicity by name for my support to the noble cause of IESM. Please keepup the good work the IESM is doing , despite some roadblocks and few teasers!

Regards,
... deleted ...
Member and Supporter of IESM.
(Dear Friends,
Please do support IESM. Donate generausly and do join the Rally on 06 Mar 11, at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi.
– Chander Kamboj)
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From: Col Diwakar [mailto:col.diwakar@gmail.com]
Sent: 24 January 2011 12:25
To: CS.Kamboj@yahoo.in; vk_gandhi@yahoo.com
Cc: Rajendra Jain; Anil Gogate; Arun Lal; Kumar CS; Viji VELOHAR INFRA; Kamesh; Saini RP; Sudhir Saini; Basu; Farook; asokan.col@gmail.com; Sravasti
Subject: DONATION
Importance: High

Dear Sirs,

I have already deposited a sum of ` 3,000/- into the Bank A/C of IESM. Details are as given below. Best of luck for the event.

Donations by Veterans

2010-10-17T23:52:00.001-07:00

Following veterans have committed donations in response:
1. Col LK Anand Rs 500/month
2. Col A Mehndiratta Rs 500/month
3. CPO SB Sharma Rs 300/month
4. Col AS Ahluwalia Rs 500/month
5. Veteran Kulvinder Rs 500/month
6. Gp Capt VK Vidyadhar Rs 100/month (Recd Rs 1,500 for 15 months)
7. Wg Cdr Raj Kumar Poonia Rs 500/month
8. Col Navin Chaudhary Rs 100/month (Recd Rs 1,200 for one year)
9. Brig MS Oberoi Rs 100/month
10. Sqn Ldr DK Nangia Rs 100/month (Recd Rs 2,000 for 20 months)
11. Lt Col JP Nauni Rs 200/month

One-Time Donations:
1. Wg Cdr VK Sethi Rs 1,000
2. Maj Gen Anil Sawhney Rs 5,000
3. Brig HS Sandhu Rs 5,000
4. Lt Col Rakesh Sachdev Rs 20,000
5. Gp Capt (anonymous) Rs 5,000
6. Maj Gen IJS Dhillon Rs 5,000
7. Brig CS Kamboj Rs 1,00,000
8. IRB Infra Developers Ltd Rs10,000 courtesy Brig Malik
9. Air Cmde MK Chandrasekhar Rs 1000

IESM welcomes any amount as donation from veterans.
All veterans are requested to come forward and contribute in the struggle for their honor and respect and of course their cherished dream of OROP. A special request is made to the veterans who hold important positions in private companies, to try and ask their companies to donate generously for IESM.
For those who may wish to support IESM, you can give the donation in any one of the following methods that is convenient for you:
· Send a cheque in favour of "Indian Ex Serviceman Movement" at any given periodicity to me at the address given in my signature block below.
· Deposit the Cheque directly to the IESM account and send the Deposit Slip to me.
· Do the transaction over the internet through net-banking and inform me of the details every time you do that OR
· Give standing instructions to your Bank for a fixed date-every-month pay-in into IESM account -- and inform us the exact instructions, to enable keeping track of the funds.
· For EACH Donation, please do fill up the attached form and send to me by email ASAP.
Details of the Bank account are:
Name of Account: Indian Ex Servicemen Movement
Account No: 06162000001330
Name of Bank: HDFC Bank
Nine Digit MICR Code of Bank: 110240109
IFSC Code No (for e-transfer): HDFC 0000616
Postal Address of Bank: Palam Vihar Branch, SCO 87, Gurgaon
IESM will issue a receipt for all donations under Section 80G, which would afford a set-off against Income Tax payable every year. This receipt would be issued once in a financial year for the sake of administrative convenience.
I am sure all the veterans will come forward and be counted in this, their struggle for honor and the cherished dream of OROP.
Let us all together convert shove into a heave and move the mountain!

__________________

Sunshine & Blue Skies!

Wg Cdr CK Sharma (Retd)
Treasurer, IESM

N-15 1st Floor
Greater Kailash 1
New Delhi – 110 048
INDIA

Donations from Canada..Col kulvinder Singh

2010-10-10T22:46:00.000-07:00

From: DSOI Canada
To: Vinod Gandhi
Sent: Mon, 11 October, 2010 2:04:00 AM
Subject: RE: Shortage of Funds. REQUEST FOR DONATIONS

Dear Gp. Capt. Gandhi,

I have asked my friend Col. S.S. Chaudri to send you a cheque for Rs. 12,000.00 to cover the monthly contribution of Rs.500p.m. for the next two years.

Once again I would suggest that this request for contribution should be extended to all the serving officers since you and your Team of Veterans is working for their future too.

Regards.

Kulvinder (Kul) Singh
Col. (Armed Forces Veteran)

Ps

May I request you to not float my e-mail except to the managing committee as I like it that way.

Receipts for Donations..80 G Issue..List 2

2010-04-16T03:09:00.000-07:00

Dear Sirs

Please be advised that the following Receipts for Donations to IESM, under Section 80G, have been prepared and are under posting:
Rec # dtd Rank Name Amount
206 24-Mar-10 Lt Col JK Barry Rs 5,000
207 31-Mar-10 Brig BS Lamba Rs 5,000
208 31-Mar-10 Maj Gen KP Deswal Rs 5,000
209 31-Mar-10 Col Bhupinder Singh Rs 4,900
210 31-Mar-10 Brig TS Sirohi Rs 4,900
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Be well!!

CK Sharma

Receipts for Donations..80 G Issue..List 1

2010-04-16T03:07:00.000-07:00

Dear Sirs

Please be advised that the following Receipts for Donations to IESM, under Section 80G, have been prepared and are under posting:

Rec # dtd Rank Name Amount
201 14-Mar-10– Sushil Sharma Rs 11,000
202 14-Mar-10 BrigCS Kamboj Rs 1,00,000
203 14-Mar-10 BrigSR Luktuke Rs 5,000
204 14-Mar-10 Lt Col SP Kundra Rs 2,500
205 14-Mar-10 Brig Harwant Singh Rs 11,000

Be well!!

CK Sharma

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Donation Rs. 5000 each by Col Bhupinder Singh/Brig TS Sirohi / Maj Gen KP Deswal / Brig BS Lamba

2010-04-03T00:36:00.000-07:00

From: raj kadyan rajkadyan@yahoo.com
Sent: 01 April 2010 23:49
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED
Subject: ESM sitrep 01 Apr evening

Dear Colleagues,
I extend a hearty welcome to the following veterans on joining the IESM family and thank them for their generous donation of Rs 5,000/- each:
1. Col Bhupinder Singh
2. Brig T S Sirohi
3. Maj Gen K P Deswal
4. Brig B S Lamba
I also thank and compliment Brigadier Balbir Lamba, KUMAON, for being the motivator.

Best regards,
Lt Gen (Emeritus) Raj Kadyan, PVSM, AVSM, VSM
Chairman IESM
262, Sector-17A, Gurgaon- 122 001

Donation Rs. 5000 by Maj Suresh Dhawan

2010-03-29T00:57:00.001-07:00

From: suresh dhawan sureshdhawan@hotmail.com
Sent: 26 March 2010 18:14
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: prenjen@htmail.com; seekayess@gmail.com; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject:

Dear Sir ,

Am enclosing a scanned copy of the Life membership form duly filled. Details are as under,

(a) IC 33199M Maj(Retd) S Dhawan

(b) sureshdhawan@hotmail.com

Postal Address: Maj S Dhawan, B-205 Fifth Avenue, Sainikpuri, Secunderabad- 500094
Tele Nos 040 27114789, Mob 9246391991 & 9440187102

(c) Amt Rs 5000/-

(d) Hdfc Bank Chq No699793 Dt 26-03 2010

(e) Hdfc bank Kapra Sainikpuri

Please ack me the receipt and also the certificate to claim tax exemption.

With Regards

Maj S Dhawan

Donation of Rs 25000 by Wg Cdr Mohender Pal singh 8 NDA California

2010-03-29T00:51:00.000-07:00

From: satbir singh satbirsm@yahoo.com
To: IESM_GovBody@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mohinderpsrs@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, 26 March, 2010 11:18:27 AM
Subject: [IESM_GovBody] Donation IESM

Dear members of the Governing Body
A senior Indian Military Veteran Wing Cdr Mohender Pal Singh of 8 NDA Course from California visited IESM HQ and gave a Cheque of Rs 25000/- to IESM (Rs 24500 donation + Rs 500 membership Fee). It was very pleasant to listen to him. Full of ideas, enthusiasm, motivated and totally committed, he informed that he would donate this amount every year.
As I was about to thank him, he stated some thing which touched my heart deep inside and my eyes went moist. He said, he has informed the Medical Authorities to take his body for research when he dies and the amount due to him for this offering will be donated to the IESM funds.
Our heartfelt salute to him. May God bless him sound health and long life. Such Military veterans are the greatest motivators for our Movement. He has also informed that he would motivate other Military Veterans in California to contribute and support our Casue.
With kind regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement

Donation of Rs. 25000 by Lt Gen Mahendra Singh Gosain

2010-03-25T01:33:00.001-07:00

From: trijiwan payal trijiwan123@yahoo.co.in
Sent: 24 March 2010 11:06
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; Vinod Gandhi, Gp Capt, VSM
Subject: Donation/Membership IESM.

Respected General,
Yesterday, I have despatched a courier containing Membership Form of Lt Gen Mahendra Singh Gosain along with his cheque of Rs 25000/=(Rs Twenty Five Thousand) towards his membership fees and humble donation to our IESM nobel cause. I have thanked him on behalf of Chairman, Vice Chairman and Members Core Group IESM. His Contact No (M) 09412052879, (LL) 0135-2629449. his email ID is msggosain@hotmail.com ( for clarity in capitals MSGGOSAIN@HOTMAIL.COM)
The courier contains;

1. My humble donation cheque.
2. Membership Forms of Mrs Sharda Thapa, W/O Late Hav Nirmal Thapa along with THREE MEDALS of the Late NCO.
3.TWO MEDALS from Mrs Kamla Bisht W/O Late Major Shwetamber Singh Bisht (The lady is already IESM Member since 23/12/ 2009 wherein she had donated Rs 1100/=. She is a permanent resident of PUNE and my younger sister.)

Respected Brig Kamboj & Gp Capt Vinod Gandhi Sirs,
Request to share details in Membership Form of Lt Gen M S Gosain to place him on Direct Mailing List of RMS.

YOU ALL ARE ROLE MODEL FOR US TO EMULATE, I AM PROUD OF ALL OF YOU SIRS.

With deep warm regards
Sincerely Your's
Col T S Payal
(M) 08057323229
(LL) 0135-2666433

Donation of Rs. 1000 by Cdr JK Sharma

2010-03-17T01:35:00.000-07:00

From: cdrjksharma@gmail.com
To: prenjen@hotmail.com; satbirsm@yahoo.com; sharanahuja@hotmail.com

Cdr(Retd) J K Sharma H.No 2701-H(Near Gate No 3)
Phone:0129-2411150 SECTOR-49,Sainik Colony
Mob:9899206369 Faridabad-121001(Haryana)
e-mail:cdrjksharma@gmail.com

The Chairman 16 March 2010
IESM

Esteemed Sir

In continuation to our efforts in achieving our goals, following ex servicemen
have been included in the main stream of IESM. Their life membership
forms along with membership fee Cheques are enclosed:

(i) *Brig Jagjit Singh Rs 500.0 by cheque
(ii)Hony Flt Lt CK Sikka Rs 200.0 do
(iii)Hony Flt Lt SR Datta Rs 200.0 do
(iv)Ex CPL JC Nagpal Rs 500.0 (by cheque) including donation

These documents are being sent by speed post on 17 mar 10
Kindly confirm the receipt of this letter by e-mail and issue the
membership Nos at the earliest.

May God bless God speed to IESM..
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Donation Col S P kundra.

2010-03-16T04:08:00.001-07:00

Donation Col S P kundra.

Lt Col S P Kundra donated a cheque of Rs 2500/-. Pl include his name.Cheque was handed over to CK sir pers by him.Earlier also, he had paid Rs 5000/-

Donation Rs. 10000 by Brig SS Jaswal , Panchkula

2010-03-14T23:56:00.001-07:00

From: Brig S S Jaswal jaswal972@yahoo.co.in
Sent: 13 March 2010 15:03
To: Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
Cc: SMMaj Gen Satbir Singh; Maj Gen PK Renjen; VSM VeteranBrig CS Kamboj; Brig Kiran Krishan; Col Rajan
Subject: CONTRIBUTION TO IESM

Dear Sir,
I will be carrying an HDFC cheque of Rs 10,000/- as my further contribution to IESM.The same will be delivered tomorrow to you at the Rally site. We from IESM Panchkula will be coming in `strength`.I could not send it earlier as I was busy with my daughter`s wedding which concluded yesterday.Happily she is married to a Madras Sapper.

With Best Regards,
Brig SS Jaswal, Veteran Madras Sapper,
IESM, Panchkula.

Donation of 1 lac by Brig CS Kamboj

2010-03-12T01:13:00.001-08:00

To: IESM_GovBody@yahoogroups.com
From: sharansahuja@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:40:17 -0800
Subject: [IESM_GovBody] CONTRIBUTION TO IESM..of 1 lac by Brig CS Kamboj....

Dear Kamboj Sir,

We thank you from the core of the heart for doing so much for IESM cause day and night.

Without your personal devotion via RMS at the cost of your health and time IESM would not have grown so dramatically and caught the imagination of Veterans spread throught the world.

Donations pouring from far and wide and specially your 16 NDA course is very much visible to all of us.It is wonderful t be associated with you on this mission of OROP and this donation of 1 lac would go a long way in making others also come forward.

Warm Regards

Sharan

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:14 PM, "REPORT MY SIGNAL" (Chander Kamboj) wrote:

12 Mar 10.

Dear CK and Vinod,
As my humble contribution, for the grand job you all are doing, I have made out a cheque for Rs 1 lakh, in favour of IESM Acct 06162000001330.
(HDFC Bank, D-1, Shopping Centre No 2,Vasant Vihar, New Delhi, cheque No 283445, date 12 Mar 10)

I will hand over the cheque and the donation form to you (or to Gen Satbir if you so say) on 13 Mar 10, before the Core Group Meeting.
You may please plan accordingly.

With my salute to All the Office Bearers of IESM.

Chander Kamboj
Copy to –All members of IESM Governing Body.

Donation by Lt Cdr Mittal

2010-03-10T22:59:00.001-08:00

From: Ravindra Pathak raviwarsha@gmail.com
Sent: 08 March 2010 19:57
To: Maj Gen Satbir Singh
Cc: Brig C S Kamboj; Kirit Joshipura; Maj Gen Pravesh Renjen; Wg Cdr C K Sharma
Subject: HDFC Bank Deposits

Dear Sir

Today I have deposited the following amounts in HDFC Bank.Receipts are enclosed.

Application form from Wg Cdr Gadre V J is also enclosed.

Lt Cdr Mittal has donated Rs 1000. and his membership number is, 002632L
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Brgds

R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Member and Coordinator IESM Pension Cell

Donation of Rs. 10000 by Col Satish Alreja ,USA

2010-03-10T22:55:00.000-08:00

On 10/03/2010,

Just wanted to let you know that I have today mailed a check of Rs
10,100/- towards my humble contribution to the cause of IESM. The hard copy
of the IESM membership form along with the check has been sent to Maj Gen
Satbir Singh's address and should reach him in 7-10 days time. A soft copy
is also attached for their records.

Please accept my deepest gratitude for the stellar, selfless contribution of
the entire IESM leadership team and for everything you all are doing for us
Indian Veterans both in India and abroad.

With regards and best wishes.

Satish Alreja

Col (Retd) Satish Alreja, VSM SIGNALS
15020 Rosemary Way Dr,
Huntersville, NC
USA

Donation by Wg Cdr Khalid Ali & Cdr NS Chauhan

2010-03-08T04:19:00.000-08:00

Dear All

In response to the call by IESM to sponsor some the activities of the rally on the 14 March at Jantar Mantar, I have received following donations.
Wg Cdr Khalid Ali Rs 15000 from Australia
Cdr NS Chauhan Rs 8000
IESM thanks the donors for sponsoring the activities of the rally.

All veterans are requested to generously sponsor the activities to meet the expenditure of the rally. Cheque should be made in favour of " Indian Ex-servicemen Movement a/c no 06162000001330"

Donations enjoy exemption as per rule 80G of the income tax act.

Regards

Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
L - 48, Sector - 25,

Donation by Air Cmde Dutton and Wg Cdr Athavale

2010-03-06T00:38:00.001-08:00

From: Ravindra Pathak raviwarsha@gmail.com
Sent: 04 March 2010 18:24
To: Maj Gen Satbir Singh
Cc: Brig C S Kamboj; Kirit Joshipura; Maj Gen Pravesh Renjen; Wg Cdr C K Sharma
Subject: IESM Membership and Donation

Dear Sir

Pls find enclosed application forms from the following duly scanned alongwith HFDC Receipts for payment
Air Cmde Dutton – Rs 500.00
Wg Cdr Athavale – Rs 500.00
Also enclosed is a HDFC receipt for Donation of Rs 100 received from Mrs Surekha Deshpandey w/o Vijay Deshpandey

Brgds

R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Re

Donation of Rs. 5000 by Col SK Paranjape

2010-03-06T00:37:00.000-08:00

From: SHARAD PARANJAPE
Date: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:50 AM
Subject: My Second Donation to IESM
To: colonelrajan srinivas
Cc: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Dear Col Rajan:

In response to your appeal I have made my second donation of Rs. 5000/-. The amount has been deposited in HDFC Account No. 06162000001330 of IESM at HDFC Bank, FC Road Branch, Pune on 2 Mar 2010. Bank Deposit receipt is attached. My IESM Membership number is 002116L.

Gen Satbir only: Kindly confirm if the amount has been correctly credited to IESM's account.

Col SK Paranjape (New York, USA).
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Donations in 2010

2010-03-06T00:02:00.000-08:00

Rank Name Address Email D_Amt P_Detail
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Lt Gen B K Bopanna H.No.-1034, Sec-37,Noida not available Rs.3000 HDFC/914063

Lt Col R K Sinha B201 Daisy Nivedita Gardens,off NIBM Rd Kondhawa Pune 411048 raviwarsha@gmail.com Rs.1000 SBI Golibar Maidan Pune C No 000636 dt 24/02/2010

Col Dipak Karnik 401 Picasso Paradise Sahyadri park,Salunre Vihar dipakmkarnik@yahoo.co.i Rs.3000 SBI east Street Pune C No 810881 dt 24/02/2010

Air Cmde raghubir singh 13 Prabhat Soc,Pune-411021 raghubir_singh@yahoo.co 1000 Ceque No 783561

Lt. Col KS Puntambekar 'Shree Sadan", A-2,Dattaguru Co-Op, Hgs Society Deonar Village Road, ksp11564@hotmail.com Rs.1500 Bank of Maharastra/070850

Lt. Col Raghwendra Singh Brijlex Motors Pvt. Ltd.,Phulwaria Road,Laharatara, Varanasi works_brijlax@yahoo.co. Rs.1000 Ing Vysya Bank Ltd./152622

Brig KS Srinivasan E-2199, Palam Vihar, Gurgaon (Hr) not available Rs.1000 Andhra Bank/336089

Col TN Baba U-26, C/11, Ground Floor, DLF City, Phase-III, Gurgaon not available Rs.1000 Syndicate/152910

Captain H.Balakrishnan hbalakrishnan@yahoo.com Rs.1000 Dreposited with HDFC Bank, Besantnagar,Chennai -600090

Sub Maj Kameshwar Pandey # 230, Sec-1,PKT,DD-6 Flats,Dwarka, New Delhi pandeykameshwar@gmail.c Rs.2000 PNB/045748

Hony capt Kulkarni Kalidas B Type 3 -27A, Tata Colony, Chembur, Mumbai 400074 prapacific@gmail.com Rs.5000 Chq 194234

Lt Col Satish B Puri 1259 Lakshmi Towers, Jubilee Hills Road No 36, Hyderabad 500 033 sbpuri@hotmail.com Rs.10000 SBI cheque No 838968 deposited at HDFC bank Hyderabad

Lt Col Shakti Kumar Roy G 9,Sacred Heart Town, shaktikroy@gmail.com Rs.1000 Net txn no 7637A1

Sqn Ldr Yadav Suchet Singh D-7/7497, Vasant Kunj, New Delhi - 110070 suchet_singh1@hotmail.c Rs.500 Axis 5000417

Sep W/o METE NIVRUTI B BLDG 14 ROOM 447 DHAWALGIRI HS,NEXT TO VEER BAJI PRABHU SCHOOL GOKHA raviwarsha@gmail.com Rs.100 Cash

Col SL Narula # 548, Sec-28, Arun Vihar, Noida slnarula@yahoo.com Rs.1000 Union Bank/015597

Lt. Col R K Chawla A-11, Manish Complex, 16 Convent Road , Banglore-560025 not available Rs.1000 HDFC/935724

Donation of Rs. 20000 by Lt Col MM Kakar .16 NDA from USA

2010-03-05T20:27:00.001-08:00

Donation of Rs. 20000 by Lt Col Man Mohan Kakar
Dear General,

Through "REPORT MY SIGNAL", I have been following with great interest and appreciation the work of IESM and its core committee for getting justice for defence services.

I would like to make a token contribution to the efforts of IESM by way of a donation. I am enclosing cheque # 948601 for RS 20,000.00 ( Twenty thousand) in favour of Ex-Servicemen Organization drawn on Syndicate bank New Delhi.

I shall appreciate an e-mail confirmation of receipt of this cheque at mohan@itintellectuals.com.

With best wishes for the success of IESM mission.

Thanking You
Man Mohan Kakar

Donations of Rs. 20000 by Col Shiv Raichand and Rs. 1500 by Brig A Sarkar

2010-03-05T20:25:00.001-08:00

From: satbir singh satbirsm@yahoo.com
Subject:
To: IESM_GovBody@yahoogroups.com
Cc: shivraichand@gmail.com, caesarsarker@gmail.com
Date: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 3:40 PM
Dear Friends

We thank the following veterans for the contributions to the IESM A/C:-

(a) IC- 24189F Col Shiv Raichand, - Rs 20,000/-
A-248, Defence Colony
New Delhi -110024
Tele No : 09810121343
Email : shivraichand@gmail.com

(b) IC-23667N Brig Amitava Sarker - Rs 1500/-
4-158/1 Saipuri, Off 5th
Avenue, PO Sainikpuri
Secunderabad -500094
Tele No : 09848780913
Email : caesarsarker@gmail.com

With Kind Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,

Thanks to lt Col BM Thapa for the Donation of Rs. 5000 again

2010-03-05T20:24:00.001-08:00

Thanks to lt Col BM Thapa for the Donation of Rs. 5000 again
From: Brij Mohan Thapa
Date: 19 Feb 2010 06:54
Subject: Excellent contribution of Col S S Rajan;Tiger from the South and Maj Gen Satbir Singh Tiger from the North
To: Col S S Rajan Dai
Dear Col Rajan Dai,
Indeed we all IESM family members owe deep gratitude to you and Gen Satbir Singh for your most dedicated day and night efforts for up keeping the flag of IESM as high as possible. You both are great asset, invaluable and irreplaceable for the organisation who has brought high name and fame for the IESM

Your membership and donation drive has been great successful and fruitful in all over India for IESM .

I am also sending second installments of donation of Rs 5000.00 through Dehradun HDFC bank since temporarily I am stationed at Singapore.

Fondest regards.
Brij

Donations from Bangalore/Secundrabad/Noida

2010-03-05T20:22:00.000-08:00

Donations from Bangalore / Noida / Secunderabad
From: satbir singh
Subject: Contributions by the Veterans
To: "Kamboj Chander"
Date: Thursday, 25 February, 2010, 3:15 PM

Dear Friends

We thanks the following veterans for the contributions to the IESM A/C:-

(a) Wg Cdr KM Vijayan, Bangalore - Rs 2000/-

(b) Lt Col R.K. Chawala, Bangalore - Rs 1000/-

(c) Lt Gen BK Bopanna, Noida - Rs 3000/-

(d) Col Vishnu Swarup Verma, Secuendrabad - Rs 1000/-

With Kind Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,

Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement

Donation fo Rs. 5000 by Lt Col Mohan Vizhakat Bangalore

2010-03-05T20:19:00.000-08:00

On 04/03/2010, Mohan V wrote:
Dear Sir,

I have forwarded a ICICI bank cheque No 388430 dated 04 Mar 2010 for Rs
5000/- through mail to the address mentioned by you in the preceding mail.

Best Regards

Lt Col Mohan Vizhakat, SM (Retd)
F - 008; Faith Block
Purva Graces Apartments
Amruthahalli; Byatharayanpura
Off Bellary Road
Bangalore - 560092
Tele 080 40925209
Mobile 09980805723

IESM Tamilnadu- New Members

2010-02-12T01:10:00.001-08:00

From: ramantn sarma colram40@yahoo.com
Sent: 09 February 2010 14:34
To: Rajagopalan S
Cc: REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj); TRUNCATED
Subject: IESM Tamilnadu- New Members

Dear Commander Rajagopalan,

Received the five Membership forms with a cash of Rs 5,00/-. The amount has been deposited in the IESM acct, with HDFC Bank today & the on line Registration of them have been completed. On behalf of the Chairman IESM, I welcome the following New Members to our fold :-

Hav N Krishnamoorthy, Hav Arul, Cpl B Subramanian, Hav R Thiyagarajan & L/Nk V Arumugam.

I was also informed by Col N Viswanathan that you will be sending another 40 Forms shortly. I am thankful to you for your fine efforts in continuing with the enrolment. Well Done & Keep it up!!

Regards,

Veteran Raman

PENSION OF PRE 2006 MAJORS AND EQUIVALENTS by Maj R Gujral

2009-12-16T01:19:00.000-08:00

From: Ravinder Gujral [mailto:ravigujral@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 December 2009 09:35
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: PENSION OF PRE 2006 MAJORS AND EQUIVALENTS - EMAIL 822/2009 - 12 DEC 09 (A to G)

Dear Sir,
It is indeed very kind of you for giving thought to the pension of a Major.
As per the new Army Instruction of 2004, any offr who completes 13 years of srvice and has passed the part D exam, he is to be promoted to the rank of a Lt Col. Thus promotion to the rank of a Lt Col now is time scale. As a matter of fact, all Major's who have retired and are drawing pension fulfill both the critereas of length of service and having passed the promotion examination. Thus they should be equated with a Lt Col. As per the same Army Instruction, an offr who completes 6 years service is to be promoted to the rank of a Major. It would be seen that the retired Majors holding all the qualifications of a Lt Col and also having more then 20 years of service to their credit are being equated with Majors of 6 years service We are planning to challenge this in the Court of Law. Those willing to join in the band wagon are welcome to contact the under-signed.
With best regards
Major RS Gujral
# 2528, Sector 35-C,
Chandigarh 160 022
Mob No. 09417474759, 09417689052
Tele No. 0172-5019931, 5002932

Mail from Brig shyam

2009-11-29T23:03:00.001-08:00

29 Nov 09.
Dear Brigadier Shyam Prasad,
Reference your email below.

Thank you for your kind offer.
I am forwarding your email to the Governing Body of IESM to note down your name and request you to help IESM in a particular field of your choice, where IESM needs help.

Also, help us in enrolling members for IESM, in particular JCOs, NCOs, ORs widows. There is no fee for widows.
The membership form and guidelines for becoming member of IESM are given in the attachment to this email.

I wil also request you to kindly get in touch with the Secy Gen of IESM - Gp Capt VK Gandhi - 09810541222, 0120-2519440 , 4313951.

Very fond regards.
Chander.
Copy to - Governing Body IESM - Gp Capt Vinod Gandhi is requested to kindly get in touch with Brig Shyam Prasad, a senior veteran from Signals. - shyam_1938@yahoo.com .
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From: shyam Prasad [mailto:shyam_1938@yahoo.com]
Sent: 29 November 2009 07:59
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: ARE YOU DOING ENOUGH FOR THE SUCCESS OF ALL INDIA ESM MOVEMENT - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 802/2009 - 28 NOV 09 (H to Z)

Chander Kamboj
Thanks for the email
I agree with all the points mentioned in the email
Please let me know how I can help
S Prasad

REMOVAL OF 33 YEARS STIPULATION

2009-11-29T23:02:00.001-08:00

Dear Friends,

Please visit the URL given below and read the letter issued by MoD, Dept of ESW, on 30 OCT 2009. This letter waives off the the stipulation of 33 years of service for all defence officer pensioners who retired after 1.1.2006. The Govt will now calculate their pension @ 50% of the last emoluments drawn or the average of last ten months', whichever is more beneficial to the individual.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22656080/Removal-of-33-Yrs-Stipulation

All of us who retired before 1.1.2006, should ask for the same yardstick to be applied to our cases as well. This will ensure equitable justice.

This will mean that all of us with 20 yrs of QS will become entitled to the pension currently being given for 33 years of weighted service. That pension is currently based on the minimum reckonable emoluments under the existing pay band for those who are still in service.

I now request all ESM organisations to take up this point and ask the govt to implement this yardstick. When accepted, we all with 20 years or more of QS will stand to gain substantially. I do not have the figures for all the ranks but for Lt Cols and equivalent, the pension will be Rs 25,700 pm, both for S and TS categories. Their current entitlement at 20 yrs of QS is Rs 21,028 and 19,470 respectively.

Pension cell of IESM may like to go into it and guide us all please.

We all should treat this demand as a step towards our ultimate goal of OROP.

Regards.................K K Punchhi

Views of Col Raman for AGM on 13 Dec 2009

2009-11-29T22:44:00.000-08:00

Dear Veterans,

The Sanjha Morcha seems to be up in Arms, not only against the IESM but also against one of its own founders. What may hurt our Movement is the litigation filed by our erst while Gen Secy, Col K Bharadwaj. The litigation by itself is not going to be the cause for worry, but the unnecessary expenditure in Lawyers fees & connected waste of time & energy. The hard earned money of the ESM of which these disgruntled Veterans were moaning about, is going to be frittered away to the Judiciary , the Lawyers, stationery & postage.

I request you all to consider the following actions to Safe Guard the interest of the IESM, as an Organisation, during the ensuing AGM:-

1. Table a Motion of Confidence, if the Vote of Confidence is not possible due to the strength of members present. Please send the printed version of the Motion to all the members of the IESM as on date, for their signatures & return on or before 12 Dec 2009. A specimen of the Motion is given below:-

" I, (No Rank Name & Membership No) who is a Life member of the Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) affirm my Faith and Confidence / do not have faith and confidence, in the present Office Bearers of the Association."

Signature of the Member, Date & Place"

To expedite the process, a suitably worded Motion can be sent by email for the Members to either take a print out or write or type out the same, sign & return by the due date.

Take care to include this item in the Agenda for the AGM.

2. Pass a Resolution to fix the date of AGM to Elect Office Bearers in the Year 2010. Include this item also in the Agenda for the AGM on 13 Dec 09.

3. Pass a Resolution for taking disciplinary action against the members who have been found to carry on anti IESM activities.

Best Wishes,

Veteran Raman

Views of Cdr Pathak on Disgrunted ESM

2009-11-29T22:43:00.000-08:00

Dear Sir

I fully agree with Veteran Raman.In fact this mail of mine may be taken as accepting the resolution.

We must also take suitable disciplinary action against the individual.

More important is i think to find out if these individuals are being used by vested interest to undermine the movement.

Brgds

R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Member and Coordinator IESM Pension Cell
(Mobile 919822329340)
and
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340

Mail from Cdr Rajinder Giani

2009-11-29T22:23:00.000-08:00

From: Rajinder Giani [mailto:gianisatgoa@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 November 2009 18:05
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: ARE YOU DOING ENOUGH FOR THE SUCCESS OF ALL INDIA ESM MOVEMENT - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 802/2009 - 28 NOV 09 (A to G)

Dear Sir,

After reading your emails I became a member of IESM by depositing Rs 500 in the IESM account on 23 Nov and registering online (though I have yet to receive any acknpwledgement).

Sir, after taking premature retirement from the Navy in 1999, I worked as a Master in the merchant navy for some time. Nowadays, I spend half my time in Goa (Vasco da Gama, where I am settled) and half the time in Kharghar, Navi Mumbai (helping out my twin daughters who are working there). Sir, I have a lot of spare time and access to the net at both places. I would like to volunteer and help in any capacity whatsoever, especially with regrads to pension, ECHS and Canteen.

With warm regards,

Cdr Rajinder Giani (retd)

F-2, Block II, Salkar Residency, E-1102, Lily Bldg, Jalvayu Vihar Phase I
Adarsh Nagar ,Chicalim Sector 20, Kharghar
Goa 403 711 Navi Mumbai

NAVY'S FIRST COMBATANTS TO TAKE TO THE SKIES by Cdr KK Punchhi

2009-11-23T00:34:00.000-08:00

From: Krishan K Punchhi kkpunchhi@yahoo.ca
To: DELETED
Cc: Chander Kamboj kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 3:04:21 AM
Subject: NAVY'S FIRST COMBATANTS TO TAKE TO THE SKIES
(http://www.hinduonnet.com/2009/11/18/stories/2009111855341800.htm)

Navy’s first women combatants
to take to the skies
S. Anandan

Sub-Lieutenants Ambica Hooda, Seema Rani Sharma set to create history

KOCHI: Putting an end to debates over the induction of women into combat roles in the Armed Forces, the Navy on Friday will script history when it enlists two women officers as observers on board its fleet of maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).
With the coveted ‘wings’ conferred on them at a passing-out ceremony here, Sub-Lieutenants Ambica Hooda and Seema Rani Sharma, both 22, will become the first women airborne tacticians of the Navy, which has taken the lead in according equal opportunities by starting entry for women in the observer cadre as Short Service Commissioned Officers.
“Having commendably completed their training, the officers will now be posted to the Dornier maritime reconnaissance squadrons as Electronic Warfare Sensor Officers. And, on a maritime patrol aircraft, observers carry out operation of radar, electronic sensor systems, electronic warfare systems, anti-submarine warfare systems, maritime air operations for independent search and tracking, coordination with the Air Force, and the like,” said Commander P.V.G.K. Nambiar, Officer-in-Charge of the Observer School in INS Garuda, who has overseen the 27-week flying training taken by the women officers, part of a mixed batch of four.
“Their training on the avionics fitted on the Dorniers will stand them in good stead when they get converted to the IL-38 and the TU-142 at a later stage, where they will be required to carry out tactical operation of weapons,” said Commander Sridhar Warrier, Chief Instructor of the Observer School.
The training lasted 16 months, starting with a six-month orientation course at the Naval Academy. The officers also got attached to professional schools INS Shivaji in Lonavla, INS Hamla in Mumbai, and INS Satavahana in Visakhapatnam prior to their final training at the Observer School.
“During the course, we flew 17 sorties, each of three-hour duration,” Sub-Lt. Seema, hailing from Aligarh in Uttar Pradesh, told The Hindu. Her father served in the Navy and her brothers are currently doing so. “I am feeling proud that I’ve set the course for young women to follow,” she said of her choice.
Sub-Lt. Ambica, from Rohtak in Haryana, didn’t have a clue when she filled up the application form after graduation that she would go down in history as one of the first two women combatants in the Navy. Her father served in the Army, but an uncle in the Navy encouraged her to strive for a different role. Still excited about their first Dornier sortie, she says a gender-sensitive infrastructure had already fallen in place when their training commenced. “I am ready to handle any role I am asked to perform,” she said.
On Monday, the duo flew their 18th sortie under the watchful eyes of a Qualified Navigation Instructor from the Aircats (Aircrew Categorisation and Standardisation Board), the nodal agency in naval aviation to test the degree of professionalism of the air crew.
As Sub-Lts. Seema and Ambica emerged from the aircraft after their three-and-a-half hour standardisation procedure, during which they flew over the southern peninsula, a delighted Commander Satish Kumar, their Aircats examiner, told The Hindu: “They were supposed to take the aircraft from point A to point B and were expected to fix its position at any point in time.. They did way above average.”

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Letter to Times of India by Wg Cdr Subhash kapoor

2009-11-23T00:33:00.002-08:00

: subhash kapoor sckaps@yahoo.co.in
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED;
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 1:08:26 PM
Subject: A LETTER TO THE EDITOR THE TIMES OF INDIA
Dear Sir/Madam:

Appended below is a copy of the letter sent to the Editor The Times of India, for your information.

Warm regards.

Veteran SC Kapoor
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--- On Fri, 20/11/09, subhash kapoor wrote:

From: subhash kapoor sckaps@yahoo.co.in
Subject: A LETTER TO THE EDITOR THE TIMES OF INDIA
To: mytimesmyvoice@timesgroup.com
Cc: militaryveterans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 9:05 PM
WANTED: INFORMATIVE IMPARTIAL INTERACTIVE INDIAN MEDIA (W:IIIIM)

A LETTER TO THE EDITOR THE TIMES OF INDIA

To:

The Editor
The Times of India
New Delhi

Sir:

We are happy to announce slight improvement, of late, as regards fairness, objectivity and adequacy of the coverage accorded by The Times of India to the news pertaining to the Armed Forces of the country.

Please do keep up this good trend. As a reputed national newspaper under constant scrutiny by its innumerable readers you perhaps have no other viable option on a long-term basis.

As a gesture of abundant goodwill we will not rake up past cases as of now until you choose to reopen old wounds afresh through biased/flawed reporting. Here, may we remind you, Sir, of what was authoritatively stated on behalf of your newspaper some time back: "Our client has always kept the armed forces in high esteem, and has always highlighted the gallantry work of our soldiers with pride. Our client has always respected and saluted the spirit and sacrifice of armed forces for our country." Similar assertions have been made and assurances given repeatedly in the text.

It is never too late to start learning/doing what is in the best interests of the country and its people including your own.

Please do give us a chance to continue respecting you and feeling proud of you as an eminent Editor/citizen of India just as we have for long been privileged to feel for your predecessors in yesteryears.

Warm regards--and good night, Sir.

Sincerely,

SC Kapoor
Wing Commander (retd)
E-145, Sector 21
Noida-201 301
Mob: 0120-2536068

Politicians all over the world..??

2009-11-23T00:33:00.001-08:00

A VERY INTERESTING LETTER INDEED.
WHAT IS STATED MAY APPLY
TO POLITICIANS ALL OVER THE WORLD

Read the letter sent to Sen. Barbara Boxer from an Alaskan Airlines pilot below.
Many of us witnessed the arrogance of Barbara Boxer on June 18, 2009 as she admonished Brigadier General Michael Walsh because he addressed her
as "ma'am" and not "Senator" before a Senate hearing.
This letter is from a National Guard aviator and Captain for Alaska Airlines named Jim Hill. I wonder what he would have said if he were really angry. Long fly Alaska !!!!!
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Babs:
You were so right on when you scolded the general on TV for using the
term, "ma'am," instead of "Senator". After all, in the military, "ma'am" is a term of respect when addressing a female of superior rank or position. The general was totally wrong. You are not a person of superior rank or position. You are a member of one of the world's most corrupt organizations, the U.S. Senate, equaled only by the U.S. House of Representatives.

Congress is a cesspool of liars, thieves, inside traders, traitors, drunks (one who killed a staffer, yet is still revered), criminals, and other low level swine who, as individuals (not all, but many), will do anything to enhance their lives, fortunes and power, all at the expense of the People of the United States and its Constitution, in order to be continually re-elected. Many democrats even want American troops killed by releasing photographs. How many of you could honestly say, "We pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor"? None? One?
Two?

Your reaction to the general shows several things. First is your abysmal ignorance of all things military. Your treatment of the general shows you to be an elitist of the worst kind. When the general entered the military (as most of us who served) he wrote the government a blank check, offering his life to protect your derriere, now safely and comfortably ensconced in a 20 thousand dollar leather chair, paid for by the general's taxes. You repaid him for this by humiliating him in front of millions.

Second is your puerile character, lack of sophistication, and arrogance which borders on the hubristic. This display of brattish behavior shows you to be a virago, termagant, harridan, nag, scold or shrew, unfit for your position, regardless of the support of the unwashed, uneducated masses who have made California into the laughing stock of the nation.
What I am writing, are the same thoughts countless millions of Americans have toward Congress, but who lack the energy, ability or time to convey them. Regardless of their thoughts, most realize that politicians are pretty much the same, and will vote for the one who will bring home the most bacon, even if they do consider how corrupt that person is. Lord Acton (1834 - 1902) so aptly charged, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.." Unbeknownst to you and your colleagues, "Mr. Power" has had his way with all of you, and we are all the worse for it.

(The above article has been received by me through large number of emails – Chander Kamboj)

Letter to editor Tribune by Lt Gen Harbhajan Singh

2009-11-23T00:31:00.000-08:00

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Harbhajan Singh wrote:

Dear Mr Dua, (Editor in Chief, the Tribune, India)

Our felicitations on your being nominated to the Rajya Sabha. You deserve the honor for the journalistic and other services that you have rendered to the Nation.

Now that you are where policies are made and bills passed, it would be appreciated if you kindly take up various issues relating to National Security, pays and perks of Indian Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen who day in and day out, since Independence have been deployed along our inhospitable borders, have fought so many wars and died in thousands defending the integrity of the Nation.

Please do read the write up below about American Armed Forces. Most of what is written amply applies to Indian Armed Forces as well.

Please draw your own conclusions and do the best you can for the Indian serving and retired Military personnel.

Best wishes.

Harbhajan Singh
Lt Gen (Retd) PVSM
Former Signal Officer-in-Chief
Chandigarh
9814801811

DELIVERY OF OPEN LETTER IESM to Ms Sushma Swaraj

2009-11-23T00:30:00.000-08:00

From: maqbool niazi macniazi@yahoo.co.in

To: REPORT MY SIGNAL (C S Kamboj) kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in

Cc: Maj Gen Coomar Ashok coomar.ashok@gmail.com ; Kumar Col sukumar_col@rediffmail.com

Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 5:38:58 PM
Subject: DELIVERY OF OPEN LETTER IESM
Dear Brigadier.
The open letter to Hon`ble MPs from Lt. Gen.(Retd) Raj Kadyan PVSM,AVSM,VSM, Chairman IESM, Has been delivered to Ms. Sushma Swaraj MP Sihore and Deputy leader of Opposition Lok Sabha under the covering letter of Bhopal ExServices League, Ex Servicemen League Sihore and Ex DefenceService Officers Association Central India Under the signature of its President Maj Gen.(Retd) Ashok Coomar on Nov 21, 2009.
This is for your information please.

(Col MAK Niazi, Bhopal)

Role of services for India’s independence by Brig G Natarajan

2009-11-20T00:12:00.001-08:00

Role of services for India’s independence

from Brig(retd) G natarajan, Signals

http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/atanu-dey-blog/2005/08/23/netajis-ghost-the-freedom-struggle

When B.P. Chakravarti was acting as Governor of West Bengal, Lord Attlee visited India and stayed as his guest for three days at the Raj Bhavan. Chakravarti asked Attlee about the real grounds for granting Independence to India. Specifically, his question was, when the Quit India movement lay in ruins years before 1947, what was the need for the British to leave in such a hurry. Attlee’s response is most illuminating and important for history. Here is the Governor’s account of what Attlee told him:
“In reply Attlee cited several reasons, the most important were the activities of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose which weakened the very foundation of the attachment of the Indian land and naval forces to the British Government. Towards the end, I asked Lord Attlee about the extent to which the British decision to quit India was influenced by Gandhi’s activities. On hearing this question Attlee’s lips widened in a smile of disdain and he uttered, slowly, putting emphasis on each single letter mi-ni-mal.”
This ‘unimpeachable’ truth will come as a shock to most Indians brought up to believe that the Congress movement driven by the ’spiritual force’ of Mahatma Gandhi forced the British to leave India.
But both the evidence and the logic of history are against this beautiful but childish fantasy; it was the fear of mutiny by the Indian armed forces-and not any ’spiritual force’- that forced the issue of freedom. The British saw that the sooner they left India the better for themselves, for, at the end of the war, India had some three million men under arms. Majumdar had reached the same conclusion years earlier, as far back as 1948 as he records. The most dramatic event after the end of World War II was the INA Trials at the Red Fort—not any movement by Gandhi or Nehru. This led directly to the mutiny of the naval ratings, which, more than anything, helped the British make up their minds to leave India in a hurry. They sensed that it was only a matter of time before the spirit spread to other sections of the armed forces and the rest of the Government. None of this would have happened without Subhas Bose and the INA.
The crucial point to note is that thanks to Subhas Bose’s activities and the INA, the Armed Forces began to see themselves as defenders of India rather than upholders of the British Empire. This, more than anything else, was what led to India’s freedom. This is also the reason why the British Empire disappeared from the face of the earth within an astonishingly short space of twenty years. Indian soldiers, who were the main prop of the Empire, were no longer willing to fight to hold the Empire together.

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news.com/2008/10/03/atlee-gandhis-role-in-uk-decision-to-leave-india-was-minimal/

2 “..Apart from revisionist historians, it was none other than Lord Clement Atlee himself, the British Prime Minister responsible for conceding independence to India, who gave a shattering blow to the myth sought to be perpetuated by court historians, that Gandhi and his movement had led the country to freedom. Chief Justice P.B. Chakrabarty of Calcutta High Court, who had also served as the acting Governor of West Bengal in India, disclosed the following in a letter addressed to the publisher of Dr. R.C. Majumdar’s book A History of Bengal. The Chief Justice wrote: ‘ My direct question to him (Atlee) was that since Gandhi’s “Quit India” movement had tapered off quite some time ago and in 1947 no such new compelling situation had arisen that would necessitate a hasty British departure, why did they have to leave? In his reply Atlee cited several reasons, the principal among them being the erosion of loyalty to the British Crown among the Indian army and navy personnel as a result of the military activities of Netaji [Bose]. Toward the end of our discussion I asked Atlee what was the extent of Gandhi’s influence upon the British decision to quit India. Hearing this question, Atlee’s lips became twisted in a sarcastic smile as he slowly chewed out the word, “m-i-n-i-m-a-l!” ” Subhas Chandra Bose, the Indian National Army, and the War of India’s Liberation – Ranjan Borra, Journal of Historical Review, no. 3, 4 (Winter 1982)
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THE END

Monuments aglore by Veteran Chaitanya Prakash

2009-11-19T23:02:00.000-08:00

From: Chaitanya [mailto:chait_any@yahoo.com]
Sent: 19 November 2009 13:19
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: LET'S SALUTE OUR BAND OF BROTHERS - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 778/2009 - 17 NOV 09 (A to G)

for those who lament about lack of memorials in India, have to only look towards state of UP- why we have hundreds of statues of someone called mayawati and her mentors - thousands of crore rupees have been spent on erecting these "memorials" in stone!

with our value system and priorities, as they stand, this is what we deserve and get.

as regards some of us cribbing about what pension and perks people in other walks of life/professions/service get and then want to compare them with soldiers my humble request is to understand that NO ONE GIVES OTHERS ANYTHING. IT IS THE ABILITY AND POWER TO TAKE WHAT YOU CAN. IF YOU HAVE THE POWERS OR THE CLOUT OR THE ABILITY TO HOLD THE COUNTRY TO RANSOM YOU CAN "TAKE" WHAT YOU WANT. NO ONE GIVES IT TO YOU UNLESS YOU TAKE IT YOURSELF.

until we the soldier understand this simple fact of life we will keep striving, begging, pleading and
living in fools paradise.

best regards
chaitanya prakash

Views of Cmde Brijesh on Draft Direct Tax Code

2009-11-16T22:12:00.000-08:00

From: Brijesh brijesh.gupta@gmail.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 6:06:21 PM
Subject: Draft Direct Tax Code
Dear Brig Kamboj,

The Draft Direct Tax Code, which will replace the present IT Act 1961 upon enactment, has been placed in public domain for discussion. The code has a number of provisions which if enacted without amendment, may take away some of the benefits currently available to the veterans. The provisions ,as currently drafted, may curtail the list of gallantry awards entitled to IT benefits as also the benefit for persons with disability pension. I have not seen any discussion in the IESM on these important issues that may hit the beneficiaries from 01 Apr 11, when the new code kicks in.

My suggestion to IESM therefore is to consider setting of a dedicated but broad based group consisting of veterans with experience in law, pay and allowances, gallantry award winners and persons in receipt of disability pension to examine the draft code and propose amendments. Once the amendments have generally been agreed to, then these could be forwarded to members of the mailing list for forwarding to appropriate agency in the Government for consideration.

It is my understanding that the proposed amendments will be examined by a committee before the draft is finalised and tabled in parliament for approval.

regards,
Brijesh,
Cmde(retd)
(Cmde Brijesh’s suggestion has been forwarded to the IESM Steering Committee for consideration – Chander Kamboj)

Veteran's day by Veteran Pradeep Sharma

2009-11-16T22:11:00.000-08:00

From: pradeep sharma
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)"
Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 9:52:42 PM
Subject: Fwd: The Chronicle

On the occasion of veteran's day in the US.
Thought this may be circulated.
The item is from a newsletter forwarded by the patriot post.
pls see link below

http://patriotpost.us/

Regards
Pradeep Sharma
(Wg Cdr Pradeep Sharma, Noida)
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http://patriotpost.us/edition/2009/11/11/chronicle/print/
Chronicle
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
The Foundation
"Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have grown not only gray, but almost blind in the service of my country." --George Washington
Veterans Day
Today is Veterans Day. We encourage all Patriots to set aside time and reflect on the sacrifice of our Patriot veterans and those serving today, and honor them accordingly.
On Nov. 11, 1921, an unknown American soldier from World War I was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, in recognition of WWI veterans and in conjunction with the timing of cessation of hostilities at 11 a.m., Nov. 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). President Warren Harding requested that: "All ... citizens ... indulge in a period of silent thanks to God for these ... valorous lives and of supplication for His Divine mercy ... on our beloved country." Inscribed on the Tomb are the words: "Here lies in honored glory an American soldier know but to God." The day became known as "Armistice Day." In 1954, Congress, wanting to recognize the sacrifice of veterans since WWI, proposed to change Armistice Day to Veterans Day in their honor. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, former Supreme Commander in WWII, signed the legislation.
To honor those veterans who sacrificed all, an Army honor guard from the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard) keeps day and night vigil at Arlington. At 11 a.m. this morning, a combined color guard representing all military service branches executed "Present Arms" at the tomb for the laying of a wreath by the president, followed by "Taps."
More than a million Patriots stand ready, or are actively defending our nation today. These men and women were not drafted into service, but volunteered to serve. To all our veterans: Thank you for your dedicated service to the cause of liberty.
To the wounded soldiers and civilians, and the families of those killeld or wounded at Fort Hood: Our prayers are with you.
Mark Alexander will have more on Veterans Day in his essay tomorrow, dedicated to the service of two notable veterans.
Insight
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse." --John Stuart Mill
"A really great people, proud and high-spirited, would face all the disasters of war rather than purchase that base prosperity which is bought at the price of national honor." --Theodore Roosevelt
"Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory." --George S. Patton
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." --Sir Winston S. Churchill
"It is, in a way, an odd thing to honor those who died in defense of our country ... in wars far away. The imagination plays a trick. We see these soldiers in our mind as old and wise. We see them as something like the Founding Fathers, grave and gray-haired. But most of them were boys when they died, and they gave up two lives -- the one they were living and the one they would have lived. When they died, they gave up their chance to be husbands and fathers and grandfathers. They gave up their chance to be revered old men. They gave up everything for their country, for us. All we can do is remember." --Ronald Reagan
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Views by Lt Gen KM Seth on Letter by Lt Gen Bahi

2009-11-03T02:38:00.000-08:00

From: krish seth [mailto:sethkrish2006@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 31 October 2009 17:09
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: EMAIL FROM LT GEN SK BAHRI -
"REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 745/2009 - 30 OCT 09 (H to Z)

Ref Gen Bahris letter, if you wish I can have the letter delivered to the leader of the opposition.Kindly let me have the letter.
With Best wishes.

Gen Seth.

(Lt Gen KM Seth, held the Constitutional post of Governor of Tripura,and Chhatisgarh from June 2000 to Jan 2008. Presently at Noida - 0120 2430909, 9811224400 )

Views of veteran Nawab

2009-10-30T02:44:00.001-07:00

Dear Col Gill,

I personally appreciate your concern and compassion for ESM.We need more and more senior Veterans like you who are bold,truthful and concerned on disunity.

I am sure there have been mistakes from both sides,though i have no complain on Brig kamboj,s blog who has tried to render impartial service.

Can we once again request all ESM to unite and forget any wrong happened in the past.

We can both request all like minded veterans to project their voice.
Regards,
Nawab - a Veteran

Views of Col Raman on Medals return..25 Oct 2009

2009-10-26T03:51:00.000-07:00

From: ramantn sarma colram40@yahoo.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED ;

Sent: Sun, 25 October, 2009 10:28:03 PM
Subject: Re: [indianveterans] ESM sitrep 25 Oct evening
Dear General Raj Kadyan,

Kindly accept our congratulations for implementing the programme of depositing the medals today, even at the cost of some negative publicity indulged in by some of our own "Well Wishers".

I do not know whether the Delhi based TV Channels covered the event live or not. But the DMK sponsored Sun TV gave adequate coverage to your talk & a few of the other Veterans, in their 7 PM as well as 8 PM news today.
Well done. It will be a great morale booster to the IESM as well as the ESM community at large.
Best Wishes,

Veteran Raman

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From: prabhjot singh prabhjot_singh0@yahoo.com
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Fri, 23 October, 2009 1:47:17 PM
Subject: Repot my signal
Dear Veteran (Brig.) Kamboj,
Regards.Find below a copy of our communique faxed to authorities regarding OROP for underprivileged veterans. Please post the same on 'Repot my Signal' blog,if you deem it fit, for the information of underprivileged veterans. I shall be obliged.

Veteran Prabhjot Singh chhatwal PLS Retd.
President,
Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh,
Mob.098554-09128,Tele-Fax.0175-5000896.

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Tele-Fax 0175-5000896
Mob.098554-09128

INDIAN EX-SERVICES LEAGUE
PUNJAB & CHANDIGARH
(Regd. under Societies Registration Act XXI of 1860)

3-GURU RAM DASS NAGAR, PATIALA, PUNJAB -147 004
IESL/13/2009 Dt. 23 Oct.2009

To
6th Pay Commission Cell (Army),
Adjutant General Branch,
Room No. 1, 'A' Wing, Sena Bhawan,
Integrated Hq. of MoD (Army),
New Delhi -110 105.

Sub. POST SIXTH CPC DEMANDS

Dear Col. Puneet Kapoor,

1. Please refer to your DO letter C/7086/VI-PCC ( Army ) dt.02.09.2009 in above connection.
2. Please advise the latest position of OROP as announced by the Govt in budget on 06-07- 2009.
3. We further request Ministry of Defence to restrict usage of nasty term ' PBOR' for JCOs, SNCOs, NCOs and other ranks as this section of veterans think it as most humiliating when addressed as such. Some other proper and respectable term may be coined as a substitute to this term.

An early response will be highly appreciated.

Sd/-
( Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.)
President.

Copy to: PCDA (P) Allhabad w,r.t. their letter No. Gts/Tech/165III
dt. 29 .09.2009. &nb sp;
Sd/-
President

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From: colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
To: sadhusohi@gmail.com
Subject: RE: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:37:44 -0700
Dear Col Sohi,
It’s counter-productive… Perhaps the better way would be to build your NGO on positive note by lending hands to those who are working for the welfare of ESM including OROP demand. In case your group feel depositing medals is not a good idea then don’t do it. But, flashing mail to all and everyone showing dissension isn’t in good taste. I may, if you will, mention that for reasons’ best known to you all, if reconciliation through a dialogue is not possible, you may consider arbitration to resolve the hurting issues. As a responsible ESM community, let’s not give a chance to others’ to laugh at us.
May I humbly request you to take this mail on its face value and not try to read in between the lines and interpret to counter my email for the sake of shooting me down? My interjection is only prompted by a feeling of brotherhood…
May God Bless you!
Warm regards,
Sincerely,
Viru Swarup
(Col Virendra Swarup is from Poona Horse. Commanded 44 Armored Regiment. The last appointment held before he got invalidated out of military service was MS, HQ 10 Corps. In one of the freak accident he lost his eye sight. A soldier with great courage and determination, making best of the life. - Chander Kamboj)
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From: bhupal singh bsec234@hotmail.com
To: Col Sohi SS sadhusohi@gmail.com
Cc: Col Swarup Viru colonelviruswarup@gmail.com
Sent: Sat, 24 October, 2009 11:52:15 AM
Subject: FW: ESM Sanjha Morch Gurgaon Mtg Gurgaon

Dear All,

I appreciate the sound and brotherly advice cum suggestions of Col Swarup. We shall make ourselves a laughing stock of Govt ( politicians ), bureaucracy and others. Our sites are constantly monitored by all those who matter and they know exactly as to what is
transpiring over our blogs.
IESM has become a formiddable movement in its own right and it has instilled a feeling of confidence amongst us all. Disunity at this stage will result in a fragmented ESM Movement and our mission will remain a myth for ever. You are all experienced, wise and competent leaders of our Movement in your own way. Let us all join hands and take it forward instead of killing it half way. As reagrds your differences, I also feel that the course suggested by Col Swarup is the right way.
I assume, you will give a re-think to your ideas and adopt a course favourable to a joint movement, since our individual efforts will not bear the results.
With regards & best wishes to all of you,

Bhupal Singh, veteran
Australia
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From: generalhoon generalhoon@yahoo.com
Subject:

To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED,

Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 12:58 PM
Dear All,
Latest interview Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM available on net www.therkbshow.com if interested you may browse the site.

Lt General P N Hoon (Retd.) PVSM,AVSM,SM

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From: Krishan K Punchhi kkpunchhi@yahoo.ca
To: DELETED
Sent: Thu, 22 October, 2009 9:12:46 PM
Subject: ADMIRAL MEHTA AND NEW ZEALAND
Dear Friends,

Appointment of Admiral Mehta to NZ seems to have generated a heated and healthy debate. Allow me to talk about two personalities.

First one is Gen Raina. Someone told me that he too headed an Indian mission abroad after he retired. Friends have mentioned many names but not his. Thought I'll point it out.

I wonder how many know that before imposing emergency, IG proposed to him that he declare and impose martial law, get everything under control and working smoothly as per her desires, and then hand over the country back to her. He just refused, saying that there was no call for martial law to be imposed and also that it was better not to have the armed forces meddling in politics. She was surprised and disappointed as she thought that the two will click well on a Kashmiri net !! This info came my way only a couple of weeks ago. The source is totally reliable.

The second is Admiral Ronnie Periera. A friend pointed out that he was left out because he stood up to IG and was about to be sacked. He said that 'better sense' prevailed and he was not sacked. My info says that the next man, VADM Barboza, was asked to come to New Delhi in a BSF plane and take over. He just refused to do so. Is that why he was not made the next CNS ?
He refused to do to Ronnie Periera what Sushil Kumar did to Vishnu Bhagwat a few years later !!

Regards............K K Punchhi

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From: vpsachar@vsnl.net [mailto:vpsachar@vsnl.net]
Sent: 26 October 2009 06:18
To: Kamboj Chander; indianveterans@yahoogroups.com
Cc: indianveterans@yahoogroups.com; sacharv@ymail.com
Subject: Re: ESM SITREP 25 OCT 09 - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 732/2009 - 25 OCT 09(H to Z)

God bless all and wishing a speedy recovery to Maj DC Gupta.
THE BEST AND MOST TOUCHY E-MAIL ON HUMAN RELATIONS BY THE VETETANS.

Regards to all.
VPS
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From: Lt Col Inderjit singh gill isgill@rediffmail.com

To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED;
Sent: Mon, 26 October, 2009 10:43:32 AM
Subject: Re: Navdeep's Blog : TELEPHONE REIMBURSEMENT

Dear All,

Going through Major Navdeep Singh's Blog (thanks to Capt Reet), I found mention of "Office Memorandum" of Govt of India, Ministry of Finance, Dept of Expenditure dated 14 Nov, 2007 regading REIMBURSEMENT of telephone / mobile charges to Central Govt officers (incl Services).

Having served in SIGNALS for 23 years, I am certain that ARMY (rather SERVICES) would have not told its people about this entitlement even in 2009 !! Do we balme BABU for this.

May I request through this email to put wise our friends in Uniform about it so that draw what their civil counterparts are drawing.

Warm Regards
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THE END

Views on OROP by Wg.Cdr.S.P.Choudhary,

2009-10-25T23:31:00.000-07:00

From: S.P.Choudhary [mailto:spc3@airtelmail.in]
Sent: 25 October 2009 08:23
To: Kamboj Chander
Cc: Arjun Verma
Subject: Re: EMAIL FROM VICE CHAIRMAN IESM - REPORT MY SIGNAL - EMAIL 728/2009 - 24 OCT 09 (A to G)

Respected Leadership of ESMs,

Nothing at all is going to come out of our 'Cry in the wilderness ' for OROP or any other demands for the simple reason that it is not some thing that will hurt the adversary. No one ever cares to responds for altruistic reasons. Some response could have been expected before Parliamentary Elections. Now that the Parliamentary Elections are over, no one cares for our voice, campaign etc.

Just recall that a single Col. Bhonsala ( I apologize if I am not quoting his name correctly ) the leader of GUJJAR agitation, shook the entire State Govt. and also the country. We now have hundreds of Cols , right up to Generals, but we have hardly been able to get worth while reaction.

For every Campaign one has to employ a suitable strategy. That has to be devised on study and analysis of 'Strength and Weakness of our own and also that of the adversary. Our insistence on following our old Military Ethos when we are no more in Military, is only due to our FEAR of legal action by the Govt. and it is not an objective Strategy which, has to be devised on consideration of the adversary ( the enemy ) and the one which will hit or hurt the enemy, sufficiently. Once the Elections are over, no one is bothered about our whining.

What we thought of as a very potent weapon of returning our DEAR MEDALS, has fallen flat, whether we admit it or not.

All decisions, ultimately are by the politicians. Babus are their foot soldiers and modify their approach on the lines their political bosses are likely to listen to.

Our so called agitation did bring some response before elections and then also more due to pressure of the Serving Commanders.

So, unless we can re-orientate our approach, we should suspend all actions,because in the present form even the civilian population is getting wary of our noise, and in due course we will loose not only their sympathy but also their respect.

Yours etc,
Wg.Cdr.S.P.Choudhary, VSM (Retd.)

Views of Air Cmde Raghubir Singh from Pune

2009-10-25T23:30:00.001-07:00

Dear Sir

I think one of the key demands apart from OROP should be to have constituency for the

ESM's much like Graduate constituency to look after the interests of the ESM's which

successive governments have failed to do so. Till such time Govt may like

to nominate two ESM's one Retd Gen rank( Maj Gen-Gen eqv) & one JCO eqv to

the Rajya Sabha. Difficult? No harm in trying

Air Cmde Raghubir Singh (Retd)

Mails to editors bt Lt Col Bm Thapa for return of medals

2009-10-25T23:27:00.000-07:00

From: Brij Mohan Thapa

To: aaaaa Amar Ujala
Sent: Sat, 24 October, 2009 4:46:23 PM

Subject: Depositing of Medals on 25 Oct 2009‏ By Ex-Servicemen To President of India

Dear Editor,
Kindly arrange to publish the following important news and press release of welfare of 23 lakhs retired Ex-Servicemen of India who have already deposited 20000 medals to the President of India and now on 25 Oct 09 at 3 pm again depositing medals to the President of India please.

Lt Col B M Thapa, Veteran, Member IESM, gen Secy DESL

Depositing of Medals on 25 Oct 2009‏ By Ex-Servicemen To President of India

Dear Veterans,

1. The Govt continues to ignore the grant of One Rank One Pension demand of Ex Servicemen (ESM). The Prime Minister in his speech at Red Fort on 15 Aug 09 had stated that pensions of JCOs and other ranks have been enhanced. Even, these orders have not yet been issued by the Govt. Why there should be so much delay? Is it that bureaucracy with intent to harass the Ex Servicemen is causing hurdles in issuing the necessary orders? The Ex Servicemen are very angry and hurt on this attitude of the Govt.

2. Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) an Umbrella Organisation of all ESM of India has been carrying out the crusade against the Injustice to the Defence Forces. It has been able to focus the issues concerning the Defence Personnel and had put up four demands to the Govt as under:-

· One Rank One Pension (OROP).

· Assured Second Career for all Defence Personnel till the age of 60 years through the Act of Parliament.

· Ex Servicemen Commission with all members from Ex-Servicemen and widows.

· All future commissions / committees concerning ESM must have member from ESM.

3. Currently various options as under are being exercised to get our demands met by the Govt.

· Approaching PM & RM again, bringing out the inadequacies of Cab Secy Committee recommendations regarding OROP.

· Seeking audience with the President.

· Approaching all MPs to take up the cause of Defence Personnel to get our demand of OROP sanctioned by the Govt. Requesting them to raise the issue in the Parliament.

· Approaching media, both Print and Electronic to give due coverge to the cause of Defence Force to get the support of people of India.

· Asking our brethren veterans who have flare for writing to write articles and get these published through various media means.

· Organising Rallies in support of our cause in various parts of the country.

· Organising various events during Kargil and Vijay Diwas focusing the contributions of Defence Forces towards the Nation.

· When the Govt continued to ignore our demands inspite of our continued efforts through meetings with various Govt functionaries, inorder to express our anguish and hurt feelings, depositing our hard earned Medals with the President. 20000 medals on four different occasions have already been deposited. This is one method which has caused some concern in the Govt circles. The same was evident from the statement of RRM in the Parliament that “Since the demand of OROP has been met for JCOs and ORs (infact not met), ESM are requested to take back their medals”. Keeping this in mind IESM is depositing the medals once again with the President on 25Oct 09 ie tomorrow at 3 PM. The medals are being collected at Jantar Mantar between 10 AM to 2 PM.

· Exercising legal option. All preliminary work has been carried out including engaging the most suitable advocate who had fought the case of Pre 96 Major Generals and won.

· Intensifying the protest Movement through yatras, dharanas and other peaceful and dignified means within the democratic norms and discipline.

4. Dear Friends, during our service we have learnt the principles of any dynamic struggle ie concentration of Force, (implying the “Unity and collective Wisdom” of all ESM) & Maintenance of Movement (graduated upgradation of intensity of the Movement in quality, quantity and volume). It is here we seek your cooperation. We request you to join the Movement by becoming its member and those ESM who have not yet deposited medals, volunteering to deposit medals tomorrow at Jantar Mantar between 10 AM to 2 PM. Medals can also be deposited at the IESM HQ Office at 543 Sector 23 Gurgaon (Hr.)

5. This is the time to show Unity and Visibility to the Govt. So kindly deposit your medals to show solidarity with the cause of Defence Forces. OROP is our most genuine and legitimate demand and we MUST get it. All past pensioners with same years of service and same rank must get the same pension irrespective of the date of retirement.

6. OROP update and Press Release are attached for your information.

“Let us join together to make the Movement successful by getting
our demands met from the Govt”

With Kind Regards,

Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,

Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570

Views by Lt Col BM Thapa

2009-10-20T04:04:00.000-07:00

Dear Editor,

Kindly arrange to publish the following information in your news paper being most important for welfare of 23 lacs Ex-Servicemen of the country please.
Regards.

Lt Col B M Thapa, Veteran , Member Indian Ex- Services Movement, Gen Secy, Dehradun Ex-Services League

AN APPEAL FROM INDIAN EX-SERVICES MOVEMENT
Brig C S Kamboj, V S M, Veteran,(E Mail ID-kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in)
In last one year or so, if the ESM have been able to draw the attention of the public, the media and the Government of India, it is purely because of the efforts of Ex Servicemen, all supporting the IESM forcefully and some of its supporters working silently behind the scenes.
Former Chiefs of Army and Navy, who are members of IESM and are whole heartedly supporting us behind the scenes.
Some of the ESM Organisations of JCOs, NCOs and ORs have also been giving very strong support to IESM in its mission; while these ESM organisations have been independently pressurising the Government of India, they have also been supporting the IESM whole heartedly in its plans on ground.
The Government has done very little for ESM so far, but they are aware of the rapidly rising popularity of IESM among the ESM.
There are also very strong rumours floating around that while internally the Government has in principle agreed to OROP, it will announce it only a year or so before the next general elections!!!
We cannot believe such rumours – and have to continue with our efforts to get –
“JUSTICE FOR DEFENCE SERVICES”.
So let us all stand shoulder to shoulder and support the activities of IESM whole heartedly.
An email received from Maj Gen Satbir Singh, Retd, S M,Vice Chairman IESM, is reproduced below. The attachment received with the email in English language is reproduced below his email. Please translate the English version in your regional languages and have these circulated widely in your respective areas.
Please do put in your best efforts to make the depositing of medals on 25 Oct 09 a grand success event as earlier.
A handful of leaders of IESM cannot achieve the aim unless we all support sincerely and with all our might.
Success of IESM is in the interest of ALL ESM of INDIA, spread all over the world.
In Service of Indian Military Veterans
In Put By Lt Col B M Thapa, Veteran & Member of IESM

PRESS RELEASE/INVITATION
Unhappy Over Non Grant of One Rank One Pension (OROP), Ex - Servicemen Deposit Medals with the President Fifth time on 25 Oct 2009 at Jantar Mantar
Dear Members of the Media
1. The Govt continues to ignore the grant of One Rank One Pension demand of Ex Servicemen (ESM). The Prime Minister in his speech at Red Fort on 15 Aug 09 had stated that pensions of JCOs and other ranks have been enhanced. Even, these orders have not yet been issued by the Govt. Why there should be so much delay? Is it that bureaucracy with intent to harass the Ex Servicemen is causing hurdles in issuing the necessary orders? The Ex Servicemen are very angry and hurt on this attitude of the Govt. The Ex Servicemen across the country have asked the Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) leadership who have been protesting for the last one and half year against the Injustice to Defence Forces to intensify the Movement to get OROP sanctioned at the earliest. IESM has decided to deposit the medals once again with the President on 25 Oct 09. It may please be noted that Ex Servicemen have already deposited 20000 medals with the President.
2. ESM PAN India have started depositing the medals with the IESM HQ at Gurgaon (Hr). The medals will also be collected on 25 Oct 09 at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi from 10 AM to 2 PM. Thereafter, a delegation of IESM will proceed to Rashtrapati Bhawan to deposit the medals with the President.
3. IESM appeals to all ESM across the country to volunteer deposit the medals to strengthen the Movement for getting Justice to the Defence Personnel, the most important demand being the grant of OROP. It is pertinent to mention that an old pensioner Sepoy with 17 years of service gets a pension of Rs 3500/-per month only where as a Sepoy retiring after 2006 with same years of service gets a Pension of Rs 7045/- per month. This is totally unjust, illegal and happens only in our Country.
4. You are requested to kindly publish this in your news paper/carry it in your news channel/magazine /periodicals and also cover the event on 25 Oct 2009 between 10 AM to 3 PM at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi.
With Kind Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM

Views from UK...Veteran rajinder singh rajput

2009-10-14T00:10:00.000-07:00

From: RSingh305@aol.com [mailto:RSingh305@aol.com]

Sent: 13 October 2009 04:00

To: Kamboj Chander

Subject: Re: ESM SITREP OF 12 OCT 09 - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 709/2009 - 12 OCT 0...

In a message dated 12/10/2009 18:56:42 GMT Standard Time, kamboj@itintellectuals.com writes:
· Issue of membership cards is to be undertaken expeditiously. A simple card will be designed showing the minimum essential details and printed on priority. This will then be despatched to members by postal mail.

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Dear Sir,
What a great idea to issue membership cards.
Please get the estimate for COST of printing these and appeal for volunteer donors. Even if you have the funds, extra bit can always be welcome.
I think you will have tremendous response and all the expense will be taken care of at once.
Needless to say that you are doing great service to the cause. We have great admiration for your hard work.

Rajinder Singh Rajput
Veteran
UK

OROP views by Cdr RW Pathak ...reply to Sunil Makse

2009-10-13T00:32:00.001-07:00

Dear Sunil Maske

There is absolutely no confusion.The Fin Min and Def Min merely announced that the Government has given OROP to JCO and below(Fin Min) and also to officers(Def Min).Mere words.There are no orders so far and no indication of when and how.
As announced they have merely created two groups instead of three by bringing pre 1997 retirees at par with pre 2006 retirees.
Please dont believe any thing till we get the actual orders.

Brgds

R W Pathak

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Sunil Maske

Dear sir,

we are bit confused about OROP, is it possible for you to deliver some ideas on it, no rush when you get chance please

With regards

Sunil Makse Ex PO
Security Specialist
UK

Together we can...

Views of Veteran Bhupal singh from Australia

2009-10-13T00:29:00.000-07:00

Dear Gen Raj,

Thanx for the update reg Steering Committee Meeting. May I offer few suggestions--

a. The paper for OROP petition should be circulated through the
RMS Blog and suggestions invited from the ESM on the net.
Suitable suggestions should then be incorporated in the
petition before submitting to authorities concerned.

b. The Membership cards shoild be of electronic variety like those
of CSD or ECHS or Cr Cards etc and of longer life material.

c. I have submitted few times in the past also that in our country
the authorities do not give any significant thought to written
representations. Of course exceptions are there. I have sugges-
red in the past also that we must hold a rally of the magnitude
of over at least 200,000 ESM ( including fammilies of ESM)
to create an impact on the general public, media, politicians at
large and the Govt Authorities. Our age old concept of sticking
to soldiely ethics do no not cause any tangible impact.Our past
Rallies did not cause significant impact ( I do not mean to say
that those rallies were ineffective or were a waste ). In our
country unless the roads are choked and the traffic come to
stand still, no one takes note of the rallies. The Rally need not
be violent. But if it is massive in nature with lot of slogans
( which should be positive in nature ), banners & billboards
etc, it will certainly leave lasting impression on all those who
matter. This suggestion should be discussed by the Steering
Committee not only amongst themselves but with the Regional
/State Cells and then implemented.

2. With regards & best wishes to all,

Bhupal Singh, Veteran

Australia

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2009-10-07T04:20:00.000-07:00

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Views By V Adm Harinder Singh , President NFDC about..IESL

2009-09-17T22:58:00.000-07:00

Dear Brig Gulia,

I think the IESL has had several meetings with the big wigs in the South Block and few have been attended by NFDC rep to butteress our common case. We have been disappointed with the results and feel that these meetings have been, continue to be a waste of time, serve the ends of one ESM and only help the MOD in delaying every thing and give an impression that they want to help us. Your letter / discussions contain nothing but what we have gone over on several occasions and in several fora and can hardly be considered a success other that to advertise IESL.

NFDC has reviewed our current status of collaboration with other ESM Organisations in the light of our failure to get our demands met by the GOI and the failure of some of the ESM organisation to deliver on their promises and therefore want to disassociate our selves from all such future joint efforts.

NFDC will here after revert to our independence and will independently decide on our way ahead to achieve our goals. No NFDC rep will hereafter liasion or co-ordinate with IESM. All issues may please be referred to me or other Navy Foundation office bearers.

Thanks and Regards

PR Cell Of IESM..by Brig Nangpal

2009-09-15T05:15:00.000-07:00

Dear Gen Kadyan,

A thought has been crossing my mind for some time, which i thought of sharing with you all.

For any movement to succeed, it must have a powerful & convincing PR. Hence i feel we must have a strong PR Cell. Composition is a matter detail.

Also in the meantime we should creat some CDs on various aspects of the movement and put them on social web sites to reach out to broader aection of the society in India & abroad. The sites like You Tube, Face book etc are some such ones.

Resouce constraints would be there but the dividends could be out of proportion.

Best wishes & regards

Brig J K Nangpal

MY TAKE ON MR PRAVEEN DAVAR..Cdr KK Punchhi..Canada

2009-09-15T03:50:00.000-07:00

Krishan K Punchhi

Dear Friends,

Here is my take on Mr Praveen Davar. Correct me if I'm wrong.

He is the son of a Congress politician and a freedom fighter. It is unfortunate but true, these self styled 'freedom fighters' are blood suckers. They never fought and they are only after power, pelf and money by way of pension etc. I have a relative in this category and I ought to know.

I think Praveen joined the army by mistake. I think he went into armoured corps for the glamour and easy life as compared to the infantry etc. That he went into battle soon after he was commissioned in 1971 must have scared the daylights out of him. If he displayed even an iota of dash and bravery, his politician father would have managed a medal for him and it would have been flaunted. After 71 war he must have had nice cushy postings till he was appointed as ADC to a governor for the last three years of his service. He was out after 10 years of service, the earliest time that one can get gratuity and leave. Again, how many NDA trained have been able to leave after 10 years -- maybe only those who have a clout.

His assertions and writings have a distinct dishonourable stink about them. They are political waffles which a true veteran cannot ever indulge in.

Could some veterans who served with him please give us the facts ?

Regards........................K K Punchhi

A LETTER TO THE EDITOR THE TIMES OF INDIA

2009-09-15T01:05:00.000-07:00

From: subhash kapoor sckaps@yahoo.co.in
To: mytimesmyvoice@timesgroup.com
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; TRUNCATED.
Sent: Monday, 14 September, 2009 9:33:16 AM
Subject: A LETTER TO THE EDITOR THE TIMES OF INDIA
WANTED: INFORMATIVE IMPARTIAL INTERACTIVE INDIAN MEDIA (W:IIIIM)

A LETTER TO THE EDITOR THE TIMES OF INDIA

To:

The Editor
The Times of India

Sir:

GOOD SHOW, MR. EDITOR!

This is with reference to the news report in The Times of India (September 14) regarding the return of 5,000 medals by the Ex-Servicemen because of the ourstanding grievances and grave injustices done to the military personnel over the past decades in matters such as quantum/uniformity in pay/pension, absence of a well laid down tamper-proof system of employment opportunites for them after mandatory retirement at an early age, continuous lowering of their status vis-a-vis other government employees, shortage of family accommodation, distortions in a just working relationship between the Civil and Defence wings of the state, and many other issues of similar nature. The powers that be should pay immediate attention to these problems to make for a perfectly fighting fit, ever combat-ready and highly motivated Armed Forces.

THANKS, MR. EDITOR, FOR CARRYING THIS PTI NEWS AGENCY REPORT IN THE TIMES OF INDIA. WE FEEL HAPPY WHILE APPRECIATING THIS GESTURE OF YOURS. THIS IS A GOOD START MADE. PLEASE DO KEEP IT UP WITHOUT OUR HAVING TO REMIND YOU.

THE TIMES OF INDIA, MORE THAN MANY OTHER NEWSPAPERS, HAS A GREAT ROLE TO PLAY IN MOULDING PUBLIC OPINION TO MAKE OUR ARMED FORCES AN IMPREGNABLE BULWARK OF SECURITY AND FREEDOM IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN INDIA'S TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY, UNITY, PROSPERITY AND HONOUR.

Warm regards--and have a nice day, Sir.

Sincerely,

SC Kapoor
Wing Commander (retd)
E-145, Sector 21

fantastic show of the IESM's-"Returning of Medals"

2009-09-15T01:01:00.000-07:00

From: subhash bhutani subhashbhutani@yahoo.com

Sent: Monday, 14 September, 2009 7:15:05 AM

Subject: fantastic show of the IESM's-"Returning of Medals"
Sir!
Fantastic show. Please accept my heartiest CONGRATULATIONS for the fantastic show (of DEPOSITION of MEDALS that were won by the ESMs) that was very well organised, peaceful and with restrained & composed remarks while presenting the points of view of the ESMs against the apathetic attitude of the ruling UPA Gov't towards THE ONLY DISCIPLINED PILLAR of our democracy. The Gov't MUST pay attention to the JUST DEMANDs of the quiet and those who NORMALLY follow the DIKTATs (most of the time UNJUST)of the powers THAT BE, without raising ANY QUESTI ONs. May God give SUFFICIENT and ENOUGH REASONING to our rulers to see things in the RIGHT PERSPECTIVE and REALITY dawns on them.
I wish I could take an active part in this show of ESM Strength that proved, if there was ever any doubt, that UNITED WE STAND.
Please convey my sincerest BEST WISHES for future actions/shows.
With regards,
Wg Cdr Subhash Bhutani (Retd),
Presently in the USA at:
C/O Mr Manish Kalia,
1713, Winston Street,
San Jose,
CA-95131,
USA

MISSION OF IESM ON 13 SEP 09 - FULLY SUCCESSFUL by Maj Bhupal singh from australia

2009-09-15T00:59:00.001-07:00

From: bhupal singh bsec234@hotmail.com

To: KADYAN Lt Gen RAJ rajkadyan@yahoo.com

Cc: Kamboj Chander kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in

Sent: Monday, 14 September, 2009 9:14:17 AM
Subject: RE: MISSION OF IESM ON 13 SEP 09 - FULLY SUCCESSFUL - EMAIL 674/2009 - 13 SEP 09 - (A to B)

Dear Gen Raj,

I am delighted about the success of MISSION DEPOSITING OF MEDALS on 13 Sep 09. It is indeed another step fwd in our movement to achieve our aim of OROP . The credit goes to all the Members of the Core Team and the Heads of the Regional Cells of our Movement for the untiring efforts , ably led by you. I take this opportunity to congratulate all of you for the success of the Mission and pray for similar success in future too.

2. May I request you to let us know the further course of action being planned/taken by our Movement ?

Also may I suggest that we should hold a massive ( say at least of about 100,000 ESM , including ladies/families & civilians, if possible ) peacefull Rally at Delhi on 02 Oct 2009, on the occasion of Birth Anniversary of Father of the Nation, Mahatma Gandhi, who vehemently advocated peaceful massive agitations to achieve the aim of the movements led by him. As I have stressed in the past in my e-mails, unless such Rallies are Massive, they do not serve the dsired purpose i.e. cause any dent on the psyche of the Politicians & Bureaucrats etc.

The feeling which I have lately developed about our Movement is that we have somewhat become passive presently ( pardon me, if i have felt it wrongly). In order to revive intense feelings amongst Common Masses , the Media, the Authorities and the ESM at large about our Movement, a Massive show of strength on the streets ( aka roads ) is a must. Only then the Authorities may take note of the fact that we are still alive and we mean business . There is an famous axiom " Jab Tak Baccha Rota Nahin, Maa Doodh Nahin Pilati " , which translates somewhat like this..." Unless the Baby cries, the Mother Does Not Give the Feed ". Rest, I leave it to you all. I have no doubt that whatever action the highy learned & dedicated Core Group decide to take, it will bring us nearer to our objective.

3. As regards giving imeptus to enrollment of members and maknig the Movement broad-based, it imperative that we go down to villages and make the ESM of the lowest ranks aware of the anomalies in pension with actual facts & figures in writing in the form of LEAFLETS and motivate them to join the Movement in large Nos. In fact presently , as some of the ESM have already observed in their e-mails earlier, our Movement looks more officers led & oriented. Unless a large number of lowest rank ESM are actively involved in and made to lead our Movement, it may not show the desierd results sooner. Various methods have already been suggested by our experienced & able ESM through their e-mails to reach the ESM staying in far off nooks & corners of the country. It is now high time that we all got together to penetrate these nooks & corners to activate the Movement from the roots. As someone remarked, unless the roots are strong the tree above cannot flourish and live long.This is age old & proven principle and needs to be practised now without further delay.

More in my next e-mail on this.

4. With fond regards to all & my best wishes for the success of the Movement,

IC-10528 L
Maj Bhupal Singh, Veteran
MELBOURNE ( AUSTRALIA )
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Mail from Cdr Prem Batra and reply from Gen Kadyan

2009-09-14T23:40:00.000-07:00

Dear Veteran Batra,
Acknowledged with thanks

Best regards,

Lt Gen (Emeritus) Raj Kadyan, PVSM, AVSM, VSM

Chairman IESM

262, Sector-17A
Gurgaon- 122 001
Tele: 91+124-4015262
+919811226676

From: prem parkash batra

To: rajkadyan@yahoo.com; kamboj@itintellectuals.com

Sent: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009 11:02:15 AM
Subject: Fw: MINUTES OF ALL INDIA ESM MEET HELD ON 30 AUG 09 AT NOIDA - EMAIL 675/2009 - 14 SEP 09 - (A to B)

Lt Gen Raj Kadyan

Brig CS Kamboj

Dear Sirs,

1. Let me restate with all the power of this small write that you and your Steering Committee and your Core Group are doing a marvelous job at IESM and in due course History would appreciate your splendid efforts done with heart and soul, without seeking rewards.

2. The sense I get from the Minutes of All India ESM meet on 30th August 09 at NOIDA is that the wrap up was almost predetermined before the All India meet. Please permit me to put forth my think, more as an outsider than insider but with heart and soul and one who is passionate about matters of ESM.

3. Indian Polity has accepted the suitability of Parliament Democracy and not the US type Presidential System or the hybrid governance system of let us say France. The Supreme Court has more than once clearly pronounced that in Indian Democracy, no single person can be vested with all the powers. It has to be collective wisdom. But the wrap up in essence conveyed Presidential IESM structure. One need not apply RTI here. But let us be clear that we are dealing with multiple authority as it happens in Parliamentary Democrat. No one can work in splendid isolation to deal with the challenges.

4. I would like to think that IESM is not engaged in Military War or Battle. We are dealing with the polity of the entire nation made up of many parts. We need to reckon the underpinning of the GOI and the Political and Bureaucratic Classes and the Masses and the powerful media in listening to public opinion on may fronts like Economy, Poverty, Agriculture and so on. The PM is one amongst equal in the Cabinet just like the CJI is one amongst the Supreme Court Judges. Yet the PM had mandated objectives to be achieved in the first 100 days of UPA-2, as per CPM or what ever else including pulls of Yuvraj. Then why this mandated single focus. I think there was a strong pitch for inclusion of PBORs in your Committees at the High Tables, for instance.

5. What is the use of creating these Cells if they are going to deal with routine, surely with some life affecting problems of the ESM. I would have liked to think that a conscious effort would have been made at making a long term Charter for each Cell along with the 100 days plan of action and results to be expected. It is my view that before the Cell is created, its Charter and terms of reference should have been placed in IESM domain and seriously considered the various in puts. Just please look around, that is what GOI is doing by putting on new legislation or Acts or Executive Orders on their Websites and at Seminars, etc, though they may be obtaining doctored inputs.

6. It therefore follows that the Cells created and headed by eminent Generals should come out with their Charter. Perhaps inputs may be invited from IESM rather than top down hand outs.

7. It is my sincere request that the above be taken in the spirit in which it is put rather than with usual closed lips words.

With best regards,

Prem Batra

CONGRESS EX-SERVICEMEN CELL ATTEMPTS TO MISLEAD THE ESM ABOUT OROP -

2009-09-14T23:18:00.001-07:00

From: MK Jain mohann35@yahoo.co.uk

To: exserviceme.congress@gmail.com

Cc: Chander Kamboj kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in ; raj kadyan rajkadyan@yahoo.com

Sent: Sunday, 13 September, 2009 2:28:40 PM

Subject: Re: CONGRESS EX-SERVICEMEN CELL ATTEMPTS TO MISLEAD THE ESM ABOUT OROP - EMAIL 672/2009 - 12 SEP 09 - (H to L)
Most respected Mr Davar,

Your att mail has given us sodiers/ex-soldiers cause for worry regarding future of this already harassed and beleaguered country. You probably in your enthusiasm to glorify your party, put numerous tactical failures of INC over the last 62 years on the backburner. To set the record straight, these are briefly recounted as under:-

(1) KASHMIR " problem ", over which astronomical sum of money has infructuously been spent and an un-specified no. of lives lost. Nothing achieved except rise in insurgency/terrorism etc.

(2) The most shameful and INFAMOUS 1962 Sino-Indian war, when troops were made to defend the sovereignty of our territory in the high altitude/snow-bound areas most inadequately attired ( cotton shirts etc). Incompetence of leadership of those times has been chronicled very broadly over the years. There was one ray of hope in the persona of LAL BAHADUR SHASTRI, who emerged to teach the enemy an abject lesson in the 1965 Indo-Pak war,and restored our lost glory. But alas, he was eliminated under "mysterious" circumstances. In any case, he was an 'odd-man out' in the INC hierarchy and could be inconvenient to them in the long run.
He gave us the dictum:'JAI JAWAN,JAI KISAN'.
Where has the 'JAWAN' vanished?

(3) BANGLADESH war 1971. It turned out to be a thoroughly thankless job and resulted in a worthless " Shimla Agreement ". A solid bargaining point was lost by returning their 93,000 POWs on a plate; we could've got anything in return- eg KASHMIR!

(4) Sending IPKF to Sri Lanka without any tactical knowledge of the terrain etc, losing precious lives of officers & men, getting our PM hit by the butt of their soldier's rifle!

These are some glaring examples. All the govts are fond of using troops to 'HELP' civil authorities since their administrations fail owing to numerous factors like incompetence, lack of will etc. They most readily gave plentiful goodies/bounties to all the rest, leaving the hapless soldiers out in the cold to fend for themselves. Unfortunately, they can't even protest!
Since 1947, INC has achived just one thing in our 'favour' viz. in connivance with their brilliant BUREAUCARACY,degraded us at every stage in every cunning way. This has been our reward. Why not some of your 'worthy' ministers ever visit countries and find out how they respect their soldiers/veterans.

ANYHOW OUR REQUEST IS :
DONOT TWIST FACTS & FIGURES FOR THE SAKE OF CHEAP POPULARITY. YOU KNOW : IT HURTS BADLY.

WITH REGARDS,
VETERAN JAIN .

Rejoinder to Praveen davar by Air Cmde Raghubir singh , Pune

2009-09-14T23:17:00.001-07:00

wrote:

From: Lt Gen K S Rao kantamnenirao@yahoo.com
Subject:
To: "V K Rao" vkrao@techconsultinc.com , gmnayar@gmail.com
Date: Monday, 14 September, 2009, 9:16 AM
...
From: raghubir_singh raghubir_singh@yahoo.com

Veterans may like to read my reply I sent this morning.

Dear Capt Praveen Davar,

1.Thanks for your e-mail . While lot of good things have happened in our country due to some pragmatic decisions taken by successive Govts over the last two decades or so – yet lot needs to be done. In the UPA-2 Hon'ble Kapil Sibal has virtually heralded renaissance in our education system-which has been my arena since my retirement more than 13 yrs back. We need similar dynamism in our even more critical Ministry of Defence. You will appreciate that our Armed Forces are the only bulwark against internal disintegration as well as external threats -now growing at menacing pace. Be it Kargils or natural disasters or even the 26/11's, the Services have always stood by the Nation. The ex-servicemen & the serving soldiers have perennial emotional bonding through regimental & squadron ties. The ex-servicemen looking from the sidelines do not feel happy when for example the Service Chiefs are denigrated through inspired & conspired editorials in the media or the men in uniform get pushed down the protocol ladder by one-up-man-ship.

2. Regarding OROP, once the Chairperson of the UPA had committed to it- the Govt should have conceded it gracefully instead of making all efforts to deny it by going in round about manner. Passing off some thing else as OROP especially in the present information age is counter productive. There seems to be forces working at cross purposes who have taken on themselves to deny the legitimate dues to those who have been giving so much for so little to so many of us. For example fixing an entire generation of officers during the 4th CPC as brought out in Major Dhanapalan's case etc shows the mindset which needs to be changed. Though I am no expert – OROP to me means same pension for same rank irrespective of the post & pre 2006 dividing line at least. Yes there could be harmonizing for total length or qualifying years of service if needed.

3. Eminent persons like you who have had the privilege to serve in the Armed Forces & now occupy important positions in the Party in Power can work towards rebuilding the trust with the ex-servicemen- who mostly remain apolitical. OROP has become an emotive issue & misinformation in this regard would serve no purpose.You may like to interact with Lt Gen Raj Kadiyan & Maj Gen Satbir Singh who have been espousing the cause of ex-servicemen & are in a better position to apprise you about the expectations which are not much. I would much appreciate if all MP's & party functionaries with services background come forward and take up the cause of Services including modernization, making service conditions attractive enough to attract the brightest of our young men to the profession of soldiering once again & looking after the veterans who gave their yester -years for our better tomorrows.

Regards

Air Cmde Raghubir Singh (Retd)

13, Prabhat Society,Bavdhan

NDA Road

Pune-411021

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OROP By Col Gb Sethi

2009-09-14T23:16:00.001-07:00

From: greh bhushan gb_sethi@yahoo.co.in

To: Lt Gen K S Rao kantamnenirao@yahoo.com

Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; satbirsm@yahoo.co.in; rajkadyan@yahoo.co.in; colonelrajan srinivas colonelrajan@gmail.com

Sent: Monday, 14 September, 2009 10:48:53 AM

Subject: Re: OROP

Dear Ge. Rao,

I appreciate Col. Yadav's very open and candid feelings & giving it back to Capt. Davar,who enjoys the benefits of his service & is holding a position, I am sure because of the service background. I am sure Capt. Davar will reflect after reading the response of Col.Yadav & have an introspection of what his blurred ideas about OROP is.

It is just unfortunate that our own clan is not able to fathom the gravity of the issue,and will not mind being sub-servient to the Babus. The degradation over the years in order of precedence,authority and general standing has taken such a beating that situation seems totally hopeless. Our slogans "IZZAT & IQBAL" seems to be of no consequence to them.

Our country's foundation is supposed to be laid on its Ethos, Commitments & Culture of its own origin. We trust each other and are sure of the commitment once it is made. Imagine the fall & down gradation in our commitment. The President Of India, The Supreme Commander Of the Armed Forces making a statement in Parliament that OROP shall be implemented, similarly the Defence Minister & The Finance Minister making similar statements have gone back or have conveniently forgotten what they committed a few days back.

When the Calamity strikes the Govt. & the Babus only remember the services for rescue. So far our soldiers are committed to the obligation they take at the time of their entry in the services, imagine for a while they also forget their obligation as our Politicians do all the time including this time our Supreme Commander, Defence Minister & the Home Minister, the consequences could be different.

But we are proud that "JAAN JAYE PAR VACHAN NA JAYE", we would rather sacrifice our lives rather than go back on our commitment.

See the recent furore over ECONOMY CLASS TRAVEL by MP's. It was amazing to see all the MP's appearing on TV's for a change supporting each others because it affected them. who other wise make slanderous remarks on each others & do not hesitate even going to limits which are not accepted from any cultural society leave aside from the people's representatives.

Lot of water has passed under the bridge in the last one year, it is a WAKE UP CALL for The Government & I hope good sense prevails & the Babus stop policy of divide & rule and agree to a very small & legitimate request by the Services lest it is too late.

Jai Hind.

Col. Dr. GB Sethi,

9440859877

Shocking Praveen Davar

2009-09-14T23:15:00.000-07:00

From: Col Veeramani colveeramani@yahoo.com

To: exservicemencongress@gmail.com

Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; rajkadyan@yahoo.com

Sent: Sunday, 13 September, 2009 6:55:00 PM

Subject: Shocking

Dear Mr praveen Davar,
I do not know whether you are an Ex service man or a civilian. If you are an Ex service man, it is a shocking news that you do not know what is the meaning of OROP. Please do not try and do chamcha giri to UPA, who deserve only scoldings, and sincere curses from all Veterans and serving persons. Kindly refrain from misleading people.Brig Kamboj has sent a very mild reply to you. You deserve a very strongly worded reply.
Col Veeramani

Rejoinder to mail from Praveen Davar- Congress-ex-servicemen-welfare cell by Wg Cdr Shashank bendre

2009-09-14T23:14:00.000-07:00

From: Wg.Cdr. Shashank Bendre bendresr@gmail.com

To: exservicemen.congress@gmail.com

Sent: Sunday, 13 September, 2009 12:44:13 PM

Subject: Rejoinder to mail from Praveen Davar- Congress-ex-servicemen-welfare cell
Dear Shri Praveen Davar,

Thank you for your mail "Welfare Ex-Servicemen", forwarded to all of us ex-servicemen.

I am very happy that the INC has a cell looking after the welfare of ex-servicemen, about the existence of which I and like me, many of my veteran colleagues were not aware.

I am a veteran from the Indian Air Force,a fact of which I am extremely proud. I have now attained the age of 70 yrs. and as an elderly person would like to present my views on what we expect from your cell.

At the outset, let me say that none of the ex-servicemen are satisfied with what your party has granted in the garb of OROP. It is nowhere near what is the conception of OROP in the minds of veterans. I am sure, that in future, you would maintain a close liaison with IESM which represents a large body of ex-servicemen, who will be able to present a better perspective of what the demand for OROP is. This will help you better in advising your party.

Besides that, there are many issues that rankle in the minds of ex as well as serving servicemen. The most important is the lowering of the status of Armed Forces personnel vis-a-vis their Civil counterparts. The status today is nowhere near what it was pre-independence. It might be argued that pre-independence era was different but I may remind your party that the result of neglect of Armed Forces and lowering its status was the 1962 debacle in the war with China. (The Gen. Henderson report is still kept under wraps as it is no secret that it will expose the failure of the then Congress Govt. in respect of the issue I am talking about). Moreover, even perhaps 5 to 6 years after independence the status was maintained though immediately post-independence, the salary of Armed Forces personnel was reduced (which has no precedent). and to the credit of the Armed Forces personnel, this was accepted in the right spirit thinking it was a one-time aberration. But subsequently, every step the Congress has taken, while in power at the centre is not in the interest of the servicemen community. The result is that there are not many volunteers for joining the Armed Forces as can be seen from the situation when there is a perpetual shortage of about 20% at the officer level in the three services. I would like to know what extra incentive is there for the young Indian to join the Armed Forces except "patriotism" (not to be equated with a Politician's patriotism) which makes him prepared to lay down his life for the country. Despite this, there are over 1.4 to 1.5 million of them serving the nation, fired by that ideal. But is it right on the part of the government to take advantage of that spirit and deny them their due? I am sure you would have heard or seen the esteem and regard in which the servicemen and even veterans are held in countries like the USA and UK. It has to be seen to be believed and I have experienced that personally. Can we say the same thing in India? No, because the leaders of the nation themselves have not recognised the worth of the Armed Forces. A nation which respects it's 'hero's will never have to worry about it's security.

Lastly, I would urge you to convince your partymen not to blindly led by the advice of the powerful IAS lobby. They have, in self-interest, been giving wrong advice to the Ministers. Look at the mess the 6th CPC, entirely composed of IAS and other Central Services, to the glaring exclusion of a single Servicemen's representative, made in respect of the Payband /Grade pay of Lt.Col. and Lt. gens.and equivalent ranks of the other two services which was partially rectified after a lot of dillydallying. Here, again, it was the adversarial attitude and ill-advised actions of the IAS lobby which led to the mess. This self-interest is bound to prove costly for the nation and consequently for interests of your party. In times of need-a war-god forbid it is not imposed on our nation- it will be the Armed Forces who will lay down their lives and not the chair-bound IAS personnel.

Please realise that there has been and still is a simmering discontent amongst the serving personnel from the lowest to the highest rank in the services. It is only that they do not openly display it because they are bound by the discipline of the service which puts nation above self-interest.

Regards,

Your's sincerely.
Shashank Bendre,
Wing Commander(Retd

WELFARE VETERANS &OROP rejoinder by Brig Gangadharan to Praveen Davar

2009-09-14T23:13:00.000-07:00

From: brigadier ptgangadharan brigadier.ptgangadharan@gmail.com

To: Praveen Davar exservicemen.congress@gmail.com

Sent: Sunday, 13 September, 2009 2:10:51 PM

Subject: WELFARE VETERANS &OROP

My Dear Mr Praveen,

1.Thank you for your mail on the welfare issues of Veterans, as approved by the UPA Govt ,on the recommendations of the Committee of Secretaries.

2.It is apparent from your mail, that you and the UPA functionaries are not aware of the concept of OROP.Therefore, the issues addressed are not even remotely touching its fringes.These have been projected unambiguously through various forums,particularly in the recent past, by Veterans.The extension of concessions as announced, has further added insult to the injury.More than anything else,it has hurt the interests of other ranks and junior officers.This award is yet another dexterous acts of self serving bureaucracy in manipulating their interest, both of status and emoluments,at the cost of the self sacrificing soldiers.

3.Downgrading the status of Defence Service personnel and reducing their emoluments vis-a-vis their civilian counterparts ,has been resorted to, for the past 60 years,and mostly under the Congress Govt.The final nail was hammered by the 6CPC,appointed by the UPA Govt.The only willing horse,holding the country together, despite all insults and injustices is being flogged beyond a limit.
A noble profession has no takers now, in the officer cadre.The effect of such neglect on the sovereignty of the Nation is not visualised by the Govt(Politicians),which depend totally on the bureaucracy for resolution of all issues.As perceived by the common citizens, most of the issues in any case are the result of the nexus between some of the unscrupulous politicians and the bureaucracy.

4.You may like to educate yourself and your colleagues on the actual problems and issues of Veterans, by understanding soldiers and their psyche.The present announcement by the UPA Govt has belied all hopes of a fair deal to the Veterans,by the current dispensation.

Yours most sincerely,
Brig PT Gangadharan,
Veteran( War wounded Disabled on Wheel Chair)

Mail from Cdr R Pathak from pune to Praveen Davar

2009-09-13T23:39:00.000-07:00

Dear Mr Praveen Davar

I am very grateful to you for the mail sent to various ESM organizations.It has given us a tremendous opportunity to educate our ESM(Veterans) on the manipulative skills of the INC and the UPA and how the Defence forces are still able to survive despite the very candid view of the First PM of India and a hallowed figure of the INC Mr Jawaharlal Nehru that INDIA DOES NOT NEED ARMED FORCES and ofcourse the valiant effort of INC's most damaging RM Mr Krishna Menon's attempt to convert Defence units into commercial production houses.

Dear Sir,we are thankful to Pakistan and the Chinese that hey have ensured survival of the Armed Forces in India by their actions.

I do not know if you have ever served in the Armed forces since you have not used any rank.But if you had then you should hang your head in shame for being a part of an organization that is bent upon making sure that the Defence forces are down and out in the Indian social milieu.

If you are not a veteran i can only say that this is the only thing we expect out of you mislead and spread wrong information and tell half truths.I am sorry but the INC has wronged the nation for too long with their sustained effort at fooling the gullible poor indian.

Please issue an immediate clarification to your mail clearly stating that OROP is not approved by the UPA and what has been granted as mere concessions and taken credit for is a discreet acceptance of the stand taken by the courts on certain issues.

I hope yoou have the courage to admit falsifying of information.

Brgds

Cdr R W Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)(Mobile 919822329340

Mail from Orissa...Veteran harish Panda

2009-09-12T00:02:00.000-07:00

From: Harish Panda

Subject: thanks you sir

To: jagi_medi@hotmail.com, hrwntsingh@yahoo.co.in

Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 6:25 PM

sir,
I am harish ch.panda ,ex-sm (ex-sigman) from a remotest & rural district Balangir ,ORISSA. We have make a district level association of ex-sm (member registered 185) .
sir, I came to know your mail address from internet & request to send us all recent information /changing in our Defence pensioner caders.
I expect to listen something from you.
--
harish panda.

IESM Members From Doon Valley and also sending Medals for 13 Sep 09

2009-09-11T03:18:00.001-07:00

Brij Thapa

to"Brig RS Rawat, VSM"

dateThu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:51 PM

subjectIESM Members From Doon Valley and also sending Medals for 13 Sep 09

Dear Brig Rajender,

Cordial Regards.

I had met you in many occasions like during DESL silver Jubilee when honoured the gallantry awardees including Col Rawat (Father) by the Governor and recently I also handed over Telephone Directory 2009 for Defence Personnel to you in UESL/DESL office. Hope you will be to recollect now.

I am indeed proud of you for sending your contribution, donation & medals to IESM which we did long back but sad to say that our State Uttarakhand having full of Faujees with many high ranking officers hardly few have come forward for IESM. We had always full support of Admiral Arun Prakash, Lt Gen M S Gosain, Lt gen G S Negi,Maj Gen Sabharwal, Lt Gen K K Khanna, Maj Gen Chander Nandwani, Brig K G Behl, Col Ganga Singh ,Col T S Payal and many others when IESM displayed excellent dedicated activities against anomalies of 6 CPC in the country during last year hunger strike, subsequently during rally fast at Jantra Mantra also during this year due to which Govt was shaken up to issue so many amendmends on 6CPC letter of 11.11.08. Now also war of IESM is on for OROP or ranked based pension with many more other fruitful activities for welfare of veterans and their families.
Kindly help us in motivating other Uttarakhandees to come forward and volunteer for IESM as this is the only organisation today which is capable of fighting with concern authorities to achieve the desired Mission and to seek justice for the defence services including veterans. Due to exigencies of service I am here in Singapore, I extend my apologies sir.
Brij

A NEW THOUGHT AND LOGIC ON OROP

2009-09-09T03:03:00.000-07:00

From: ramantn sarma colram40@yahoo.com

To: DELETED

Sent: Tuesday, 8 September, 2009 4:45:05 AM

A NEW THOUGHT AND LOGIC ON OROP -

Dear Veterans,

A new thought on OROP, projected by Maj Gen VK Singh is worthy of consideration, by the Armed Forces & the Govt, for the new crop of retirees, post 2006. Our Movement started with the sole aim of protecting the interest of more than 2.5 Million Veterans, who are pre 2006 retirees, who cannot be offered any lateral absorption or promised employment up to the age of 60 years. For them OROP is the best bet, since they have already retired. That also as per the existing definition of equal rank, equal length of service & equal pension.

Pre 1970 Military Personnel were pensioned off based on their Substantive Ranks. There was no worth while compensation for their truncated service. This meagre payment of gratuity was also based on the length of Service physically rendered by them without taking into account the truncated portion of their balance of service. Because the 60 years of age concept for retirement was not there. Further, their pension was rank based & not the length of service, which the author claims the real OROP.

The length of service clause was specifically introduced to ensure a degree of compensation to the loyal military personnel, by the third CPC.From 1970 onwards, the pension for the Armed Forces Personnel have been fixed based on the criteria of Rank cum Length of Service. Three generations have gone through this system & have benefited. To suggest that we should roll back to the 1970 era & discard the Length of Service criteria is like shooting at our own foot.

Notional fixation ordered by the Court in the case of Maj Gens, is a new concept. But no where, any Court has over ruled the concept of OROP. The Court pointed out of creating Class within Class of pensioners when for a group of retirees their pensions were fixed based on the average emoluments of ten months & for others it was worked out on the basis of 36 months. The court had also come down heavily on the petitioners, when they mis- interpreted the earlier ruling given to mean the grant of OROP.

The idea given by the author, as pointed out by me, in the beginning itself, may be explored for those who are in service today & likely to retire 10 years hence.

Veteran Raman

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OROP: Legal angle lightened up by Lt Col MG Kapoor

2009-09-08T00:51:00.001-07:00

OROP: Legal angle lightened up

Date: Sunday, 6 September, 2009, 2:03 PM

My Dear VK,
I have gone through your write up on 'OROP'. It made an interesting reading. But permit me to say that your conclusions from the Apex Court judgments are not correct.

Firstly, the question before the Constitunal Bench of the Apex Court in Nakra's case was not that of 'OROP'.The question was whether it was proper to lay down a cut-off date and say that the liberalised pension formula for a retired Goverment employee would be applicable only to those who retired after the cut-off date and and not to those retired prior to the cut off date. The Apex Court replied in the negative. Earlier, the pension was worked out on the bases of the average pay drawn by a Govt empolyee in the last 36 months of service. The liberalised formula reduced the period from last 36 months to last 10 months of service but laid down that this would be applicable only to those retired after the cut-off date. The Apex Court directed the Govt to make it applicable to all Govt employees irrespective of their date of retirement. The famous quote from the said judgment was "Govt cannot pick up a date from the hat to say those retiring after the date would get the benefit and those retiring before it won't".

The last statement from the Apex Court judgment was misunderstood by many, including IESL (Indian Ex-Servicemen League) and they thought the judgement propagated 'OROP'. It did not. IESL on such misconception moved the Apex Court and instead of building up its case with regard to 'OROP' on its own merit, sought directions to the Government for 'OROP' on the basis of Nakra's judgment.

Another Constitutional Bench of five judges deciding IESL case (judgment by JS Verma CJI) then threadbare analysed Nakra's judgment and concluded that Nakra's judgment did not lay down such proposition and dismissed IESL writ petition.

In the latest case of Major Generals decided by two judges (Vains case) the question before the Apex Court was whether it was rational that pension of a Major General retiring before 1.1.1996 (i.e. even on 31.12.1995) is lower than that of a Brigadier retiring on or after 1.1.1996. Taking cue from and Nakra's judgment "Govt cannot pick up a date from the hat to say those retiring after the date would get the benefit and those retiring before it won't" and relyning upon the said judgment, the two-judges Bench decided it was not rational that the pension of a Major General retiring before 1.1.1996 (i.e. even on 31.12.1995) is lower than that of a Brigadier retiring on or after 1.1.1996. The Court (two judges) then directed the Govt to fix the pensions of all Major Generals who retired before 1.1.1996 at par with the pension of similar officers who retired on or after 1.1.1996.

This too does not lay down OROP proposition. In any case, IESL case decided by five-judges Constitutional Bench was not referred to the two-judges Bench in Vains case (Major General's case). Two-judges Bench naturally cannot decide against what a five-judges Constitutional Bench has held.

In this context your quoting a part only of the judgment and analysing the complete law on the subject is not correct. You thus have quoted the following out of context:

"This also contrary to the judgment of the Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court of 17 December 1982 that stated: “by introducing an arbitrary eligibility, being in service and retiring subsequent to the specified date, or being eligible for the regularised pension scheme and thereby dividing a homogeneous class, these classifications being not based on any discernible rational principle ... are unconstitutional and are struck down."

In my view the whole subject calls for a 'Review' by the Apex Court by a seven-judges Constitutional Bench.
With best wishes,
MG
(Lt Col MG Kapoor, Practising Law in Delhi High

National Commission for Ex Servicemen by Veteran Karan Kharb

2009-09-08T00:00:00.000-07:00

From: Karan Kharb

To: DELETED

Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:06 AM

Subject: Re: National Commission for Ex Servicemen

The purpose and desirability of a National Ex-servicemen Commission is not to have an extended arm of the government to rehabilitate and placate some pleasing judges and pliable bureaucrats. The need is to serve the genuine interests of over two million veterans of the Armed Forces of the country.

Therefore there is no question of accepting in its composition anyone who has not served and experienced the unique conditions of service and hazards. We have precedence where Commissions are constituted wholly of the people of eminence from the very community or group they are supposed to serve.
Here are the live examples how other similar Commissions are composed:

1. National Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission:
It is headed by a sitting or retired Judge of the Supreme Court of India. National Commission is presently headed by Hon'ble Mr. Justice M.B. Shah, former Judge of the Supreme Court of India as President and having eight Members, viz. Mrs. Rajyalakshmi Rao, Mr. B.K. Taimni, Hon'ble Mr. Justice K. S. Gupta, Hon'ble Mr. Justice S.N. Kapoor, Dr. P. D. Shenoy, Mr. Anupam Dasgupta, Mr. S. K. Naik & Hon'ble Justice R.C. Jain.

2. National Commission for Scheduled Castes:
Chairman - Shri Buta Singh
Vice Chairman - Prof NM kamble
Members (4 - all from affected Castes/Class; no judge, no bureaucrat)
3. National Commission for Women:
Chairperson - Dr Girija Vyas
Members (3 - all women)
Member Secretary
(All Women; no judge, no bureaucrat.)
4. National Commission for Backward Castes:
Chairperson: Justice (Retd.) S. Ratnavel Pandian

Member-Secretary: Shri Lakshmi Chand

Member Dr. Subba Somu

Member Shri Ram Awadhesh Singh

Member Shri. Abdul Ali Azizi
(All from affected Castes; no judge, no bureaucrat.)

5. National Commission for Scheduled Tribes:
Chairperson: Smt. Urmila Singh
Vice Chairperson; Shri Maurice Kujur
Member; Shri Tsering Samphel
Member: Shri Oris Syiem Myriaw
Member (Vacant)
(All from affected tribes; no judge, no bureaucrat)

The following composition is but one suggestion that comes to mind after surveying other Commissions:-

(a) Chairman - One of the retired Chiefs of Staff (Army, Navy, or Air Force).
(b) President/Chairman of an ESM Organisation registered and representing the ESM community at National level, eg: IESL or any other Org with widest acceptance/representative nature.
(c) A highly decorated, war veteran Sub Maj from Infantry, Armd Corps, Arty or Engrs.
(d) A senior representative each from veterans of Navy and IAF.
(e) A war widow (preferably wife of the highest decorated martyr).
(f) AG or DGR (as Member Secretary).

Total: 7

Member Secretary's role can also be assigned to the serial (b) if AG/DGR not available/acceptable.

Arbitrary composition imposed by the Government not giving total representation to the ESM community must be rejected by one and all because such body will turn out to be yet another white elephant rehabilitating some babus and judges at the cost of ESM like the department of 'Welfare' that exists for itself and not for the soldiers/ESM.

Regards,

Karan
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Views from UK of Veteran RS Rajput

2009-08-20T02:09:00.001-07:00

From: RSingh305@aol. com RSingh305@aol. com
Subject: IMG_1182.JPG
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo. co.in
Date: Monday, 17 August, 2009, 6:31 PM
Sir,
I bought a copy of "The Daily Telegraph", London, for the sole reason that on its FRONT PAGE the editor has given FULL PAGE coverage to the British soldiers killed in battle in Afghanistan (attachment) .

Television, all the channels, BBC and others, are giving daily coverage to war there. The bodies of those killed are brought to this country by air and then PARADED through towns with full military honours with members of public lining the streets on both sides.

It is a proof of the VALUE placed on soldiers by people and government of this country. Naturally there are voices against the war in Afghanistan but the support and loyalty of the overwhelming majority carries the day.

The news today also tells us of increase in the number of young volunteers to join the army. Rising unemployment may be one reason but their Will & Spirit to Fight cannot be underestimated.

We NRI's see COLLECTIVE response, supported by media, to external and internal threats to this country.

Regards
RS Rajput
(UK)
17 August 2009.

Mail from cdr Pathak ...Pune

2009-08-19T03:10:00.001-07:00

From: Ravindra Pathak raviwarsha@gmail.com
Subject: IESM Membership
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: "Brig C S Kamboj" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in, TRUNCATED
Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 11:44 AM
Dear Sir

Today i have registered the following online
1. Surve Dilip Babu Nb Sb
The HDFC receipt is enclosed.

The forms will follow in due course.

Brgds

R W Pathak

Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)(Mobile 919822329340)
and
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340

RBI Intervention by Cdr Pathak , Pune

2009-08-17T01:19:00.000-07:00

Dear Sir

Kindly refer to mail on the subject sent earlier.I am resending the mail with the attachment on F A Q on Pension payment by banks.

Before we take up anything with RBI let us try and find out from our banks what are their problems and we may be able to get a better picture to plan our future course with RBI Intervention.

Today I have had a good interaction with the person handling pensions in my branch and i expect to get answers from him in a couple of days about their problems and his suggested solutions.

Brgds

R W Pathak

Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)(Mobile 919822329340

Views by Col CJS Khera

2009-08-14T03:48:00.001-07:00

Subject: Re: MINUTES STEERING COMMITTE MEETING

Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 8:45 AM

Sir,

1. Thanks for the informatory email. This is the only way we can come on one platform, if only there is no communication gap.
2. There need more to be done on ground ,as 80% of ESM does not have any source to get informed as to what is being planned by IESM except officers/Jcos with email accounts. I suggest the following-

(a) the Local ESM of area must spread info in English or in local language at the CSD counters, Sainik welfare Centres, ECHS centres , State treasury, Pension paying banks so that more mind join us and participate. This sort of marketing need to be done to ensure maximum voice errupt from ESMcommunity

(b) All ESM org must have ESM Data bank with detailed particulars and contact numbers.

(c) I am in possession such data bank of Distt Roopngar including Chd,Mohali,Morinds,Kharar,Panchkula. This needs to be now updated by writing letter to each ESM.

3. I appreciate you advice to the Higher HQ of IESM and also praise for circulating the miutes of meeting held at Delhi.

Regards
Col CJS khera
9855115050
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From: Ravindran Major
Subject: Re: EMAILS FROM MEMBERS - SET 2 - EMAIL 598/2009 - 13 AUG 09 - (R to S)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 8:58 AM
I have sent the folowing comment:

Rudroneel Ghosh (article in Pioneer on 13 aug) and Dr NarendraKumar exhibit total ignorance of the power of truth.
Admiral Mehta has just made a satement of fact as any soldier/citizen who loves his motherland would recognise. We have a long way from the days of SunTsu and though some of the principles he had enunciated may hold good even today, it is simply not possible today to put on a false facade that could deceive a potential enemy to any worthwhile extent.
Before flexing one's muscles one must ensure that they are worthy of being exhibited!

regards n bw

ravi (Maj PM Ravindaran)
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From: Brij Thapa col_thapa_engrs@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: EMAILS FROM SECY GEN IESM - EMAIL 598/2009 - 13 AUG 09 - (R to Z)
To: "aaa Brig C S Kamboj" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:07 AM

Dear Brig Kamboj Sir, Cordial regards.
Thanks for all the mails. Though I may not be in India but my heart & soul will be with IESM and Doon Valley will also take active part & give full support always & every time to achieve the planned Mission (It is regarding meeting on 30 Aug at Noida).
Brij (Lt Col BM Thapa, Secy General DESL)
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THE END

A REAL DOWNFALL OF INDIAN ARMED FORCES

2009-08-14T03:23:00.000-07:00

A REAL DOWNFALL OF INDIAN ARMED FORCES

The implementation of sixth pay commission has drastically changed the warrant of precedence (WoP) for the Indian Armed Forces. The chairperson of UPSC has been upgraded to article 9A over services chiefs (at article 12). He/she used to be earlier at article 17 below Services Chiefs and also below officiating chiefs of the rank of Lt Gen who were on article 16.

Chairperson of SCs and STs were added in article 17. Both these chairpersons are now higher than Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs who are in article 23.

Members of SCs & STs placed at same level of Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs at article 23. What more can one say, even Field Marshall Manekshaw was placed at article 12 below two former civil servants (Brijesh Mishra and Vijay Kapoor). Now, does anyone know what these gentlemen have done for INDIA????

As was well known, Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs were equated with secretaries to Govt. of India on article 23. However, Note 10(c) of the WoP make an interesting distinction: In official functions held at Delhi, Army Commanders/Vice Chiefs of the Army Staff or equivalent in other services will always rank after the secretaries to the Government of India.

Following are the deductions:
1. DIG is now officially equivalent to a Brigadier (Earlier this rank was even junior to a Colonel)

2. Ministry of Home Affairs has declared that all IPS officers shall attain the rank of DIG in 14 year's service.

3. Senior Administrative Grade (SAG) is now officially equivalent to the rank of Major General.

4. Dept of Pers & Trg has declared that all IAS officers shall attain the rank of SAG in 14 year's service.

5. What would be achievable by 100% IPS officers in 14 years would now be achievable by 7% defence officers in 28 years..

6. What would be achievable by 100% IAS officers in 14 years would now be achievable by 2% defence in 33 years.

It is pertinent to mention that the senior most civilian rank in a state was equivalent to a Colonel during independence; whereas, over a period of time, the nation has only seen the downfall our BABUS. Their machinery collapses even with a simple storm, whereas, their protocol has kept on rising. I dont need to mention the professionalism of our Armed Forces; the nation knows this well.
In principle, our politicians need to give an explanation for this remarkable erosion of a soldier's status over the past sixty years, the Generals, too, are equally responsible. They have virtually failed in restoring the pride of their own men whom they command. No wonder, now even they don’t send their children to the Services; they rather prefer beauty contests or becoming Bollywood stars. I don’t blame them also, they have seen it all.

It is high time that we speak up or else only GOD can save this country.
--
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,

Mail from Lt Gen Bahri...

2009-08-14T03:21:00.000-07:00

Hats off to Cdr Balaji. Great work being done without worrying which service the individual belongs. May he continue doing this. I am rather surprised that no one has volunteered to take on this kind of service to their colleagues in uniform.
We have also started in a small way in Som Vihar to see that 85 widow residents of ours get their dues be it their pension arrears or addl 20% on attaining age of 80 yrs. The banks and PCDA have to be pushed to see that they get their dues.
Satish

Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd

Views by Col Sundar..Secundrabad

2009-08-11T23:23:00.000-07:00

From: Lt Col M D Sundar
To: Brig Kamboj
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:46 PM
Subject: Independence Day celebrations - 15 Aug 09

Dear Brig Kamboj

I have been following with very great interest the excellent work you all are doing for the welfare of ESM .

I am currently involved on a much broader canvas - of bringing about a change in the "quality of life " of the villages of our country along with interested and committed selfless volunteers of the Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisations .I am therefore unable to contribute any quality time for the ESM movement .However although I am not an active participant my silent prayers are always with the ESM movement so valiantly led by Gen Kadyan.

I have a suggestion to make regarding our 63rd Independence Day coming on 15 Aug 09. I am sure that every Housing Complex in the cities of our Country will be having their own small flag hoisting ceremony/ celebrations . This would be the most appropriate time for our serving /retired, officers / PBOR residing in their Housing complexes to speak about their experiences during combat so that we can familiarise the civilian audience about what a War really is and the role of our Armed Forces in maintaining the unity and integrity of the country.

This movement should slowly be extended to the grass roots levels in every village / hamlet of our country where a majority of the PBOR ESM live .

We should also make it a point to repeat this on every Republic Day celebrations ,as well as Anniversary celebrations on one fixed day for the 1962 ,1965 as well as 1971 0operations like the Battle of Bomdila in 1962 or Battle of Basantar in 1971 operations etc .

If you recollect I once spoke to you from San Francisco regarding the Memorial Day for American War heroes which the Americans celebrate when all shops are closed , the President addresses the Nation and people go to the graves of the soldiers who lost their lives in battles as well as Counter insurgency operations in Iraq etc.

We should also start a movement for a "Memorial Day" for India .Initial
y the Ministers , the bureaucrats may not support but over a period of time this will gain momentum .Everything in life has a small beginning like our ESM movement !

With very best regards
Col Sundar
(MD Sundar, Secunderabad, email ID - colsundar@yahoo.co.in )

Work is worship ,Duty is Go

Views by Lt Col Rajan Mannil (retd)..93 yr old WW II

2009-08-11T23:22:00.000-07:00

From: Rajan Mannil rajanmannil@yahoo.co.in
Subject: WEFARE OF WORLD WAR II VETERANS
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Saturday, 8 August, 2009, 6:02 PM
Sir,
I came across a 93 year old WW II veteran in dire state.He took part in the Burma Campaign as a signaller,spent nearly a year and a half in Japanese jails as a POW. On repatriation after the war ,he was retrenched without any pensionary benifits.I notice thro' your blog that Govt of Canada has come out with a scheme of honoring their WW II veterans.Do we have any scheme like that? Can somebody suggest a door where he can knock to derive some financial benifit that would sustain him thro' the fag end of his very meaningful life.His name is sgmn Narayanan Nair.Please oblige.

Rgds,

Lt Col Rajan Mannil (retd)
Jabalpur
email: rajanmannil@yahoo.co.in
(If any ESM receiving this email can suggest some solution to help the WW II veteran mentioned above, kindly write to Col Mannil - THANK YOU. - Chander Kamboj)

Rejoinder to Col IS Gill's views by Wg Cdr CK Sharma

2009-08-11T02:48:00.000-07:00

Dear Gill Sir,

I agree with everything that you have written in your email. I have been quite amazed at some of the views that have come from various ESM, resenting what one level of ESM may have been given by this street-smart politicians of ours! This has been done intentionally, to see how much the ESM can be split into smaller sects, so to say!

One thing is very clear to me, personally, and to a lot of my ESM friends: If any planned violence is resorted to in demand of any of our wishes, I am out of this movement!! Never will I support any gherao of a public facility, a bandh on a public road that troubles any non-involved citizen of India or blocking of any train tracks anywhere!

As an aside, I would like to repeat what I had said earlier in one of my emails: Back in April this year, when IESM had issued that ADVISORY

(please note: NOT an EDICT or INSTRUCTION!), there were so many of those email active ESM who had immediately condemned the IESM. Who had very gleefully raised their loud voices again at the results of elections, saying that the Advisory ought to have been in favour of Congress.

WHERE ARE THEY ALL NOW?

What do they have to say about the shabby treatment meted out to ESM by their favourite political party?

And, Sir: You have hit the nail on the head when you have advised that every communication, of necessity, MUST respect the other, regardless of rank.

Cheers!

Wg Cdr CK Sharma

Rejoinder By Lt Col IS Gill , Mhow

2009-08-11T01:39:00.001-07:00

Dear General Raj Kadyan,

This is in response to your advise to Col sohi, as a rejoinder to his view point.
He has advocated a tough stand and recommended some sort of an agitation.
You have very rightly questioned this. Yea, confrontation will not lead us
anywhere but WILL SILENCE and INACTION ACHIEVE ANYTHING?

I agree agitational approach will not lead us anywhere but what is the
alternative? FASTS near JANTAR MANTAR have not got us anywhere. And
fast by whom?Sohi has rightly pointed out the anomlies in the pensions of a
MAJOR & A COLONEL and a MAJ GENERAL and LT GENERAL. What I
suspect is thatthe people who have been benefitted with the latest govt
announcements, as most of theLT GENERALS and LT COLs have been,
theywould like to put waters on the proposed action plans.

Let us not talk in riddles if we want to really achieve something. Time has
come for some concrete steps which will yield desired results. The first thing I
would like to see is the UNITY and CONSENSUS on the chosen option or the
course of action. Let us not make half-hearted moves with NO RESULTS.

I findmost of us are good in scoring self goals and also we mightscuttle our
own moves by showing dissent. I have been seeing this happening for the last
six months that everyone in IESM or IESLis trying to become a LEADER.
There are too many people who are drum-beating their namesandprojecting
themselves. Can we have some CENTRAL SPOKES -PERSON doing this?

Finally,I find all sorts of stuff being FORWARDED on this net. Let us remain
focussed on one thing. Let us not show favour to some and reject others. If Lt
General ViJAY OBEROI's ARTICLE can be circulated by 'REPORT MY
SIGNALS"---so should be others. There should be no discrimination---After
retirement---we are all retired army officers and there is NO RANK
STRUCTURE in civil walk of life --whether a COL ora GENERAL or a MAJOR.

Regards. Rajee
-- Think Big,Think Positive;Act Big, Act Positive.

Lt Col Inderjit Singh Gill, Veteran
41, Signals Vihar,
MHOW(MP) 453 442
093018-77771

Views by Lt Col IS Gill from Mhow

2009-08-11T01:38:00.001-07:00

Dear Friends,

With reference to the mails on the subject, I had also sent some suggestions,
which I hope must have been considered appropriately but the outcome not
known. When a large number of comn exchange takes place, some are
bound to be lost !!.

I support the views of Veteran RK that we all, once out of uniform, are ESM
and RANK should not matter much. In fact situation should be "Jee Kaho aur
Jee Kahao". (address each other with respect) It is also NOT necessary that
'bright' and 'brilliant' ideas come only with RANK. We are not in a sand model
discussion and there is no compulsion to support DS (IO / RO) solution.

We should also not think that because Lt Cols and Lt Gens have been given
some dues (denied earlier - but not equal to OROP) will NOT support any
future 'course of action'. The ESM joined IESM / IESL not for getting their
individual pensions increased, but for the general cause (discrimination being
faced by ESM / Serving people as compared to 'BABUs'). Let us not make
isolated pockets amongst ourselves. Some time back one ESM organisation
from Punjab had written that "PBOR did not resent, when Lt Cols got PB IV".
How does it matter to PBOR or Offrs if some people are given a part of their
dues? We are NOT fighting for individual gains.

From what has happened since election results came, we have NO alternative
other than moving JUDICIARY with a sound case and settle it once for all.

With regards

Lt Col Inderjit Singh Gill, Veteran
MHOW

Urgent Need to Strengthen Defence Forces‏

2009-08-10T23:36:00.000-07:00

Urgent Need to Strengthen Defence Forces‏

Kindly peruse the attachment. Your views/comments will be highly appreciated. I personally consider it as a very serious and important matter for the strength and Unity of the country. Government ignored the Kargil Day as Unity Day of the country. The memory of ignoring Field Marshal Maneksha by the government at the time of his death- people of India will never forget.....

Hence I also intend to include
1. Three Services Chief/PSOs should never be appointed as Governor, etc after retirement so that they do not compromise the welfare of their officers and jawans during the service. After retiremeent if they want they can join any politcal party/contest as independent for political assignments.

2. It was highly demoralsing that retired officers/Jawans had to return their medals for bravery to the government and Services Chief/Defence Secy kept mum perhaps with an eye on assignments like Governor etc on retirement

3. Defence Secy should be from the defence Services to advise the Defence Minsiter and Prime Minsiter. IAS officers are not suitable for the assignment.
Defence Secy could be assited by Defence Experts in India as Joint Secy and Addl Secys

4. The Status of Defence Services Officers be raised vis-a-vis IAS officers

5. IAS Officers with almost no positve contibution to the country, reach the highest of the pay scale i.e Rs 80,000 (Basic) per month, it is about 5% for Defence Services Officers, and IPS about 25%, Central Services about 20%. This needs correction.

6. JCOs concept was for a colony by the British. They never had this system in their own country. Let young officers directly deal with soldiers and develop better rapport with them. Training programmes be suitably modified.

7. We should follow the world best models
8. There should always a separate Pay Commission for the Defence Services. Each Pay Commsiion had lowered the status of Defence Services Officers.etc etc..........Prem Sabhlok

Views by Veteran Ram Gulrajani

2009-08-10T22:54:00.001-07:00

From: Ram Gulrajani ramgulrajani@gmail.com

Subject: Re: IESM SITREP 08 AUG 09 - EMAIL 586/2009 - 08 AUG 09 - (C to G)

Date: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:48 PM

Dear General

How's that no one bothers to write to National newspapers that have their origin in South India? I feel all important articles by senior veterans should be sent not only to English media but also regional media. In fact, I feel, regional media has a wider audience than English media. Tamil, Telegu, Kanada, Malayalam, Marathi, Bengali, Oriya and NE region will grab such articles for publication. You will keep getting the feed back since IESM members are now wide spread.

Many regards
Veteran Ram Gulrajani
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Views by Cdr Pran Parashar

2009-08-10T22:53:00.001-07:00

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From: pran parashar pran.parashar@gmail.com
Subject: Re: IESM SITREP 09 AUG 09 - EMAIL 587/2009 - 09 AUG 09 - (M to Q)
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Monday, 10 August, 2009, 3:56 AM
Dear Sirs,

Blessings.

Gen. Kadyan has covered the subject of OROP in detail in his letter. It is clear to me that whilst Mr. Manmohan Singh is the PM nothing is going to come of reasoning. He is the BIG HONCHO of the Bureaucrats. Sooner we stop relying on PM's sense of Justice and obligations to the country, better for us. Thanks to Mian Musharraf we are still getting our old pensions at least. Otherwise, even these would have gone! May be the intervention of TALIBAN, that is bound to happen, would shake up the PM. Though I doubt it.

The Govt has not paid the 60% of the DA that was supposed to be paid in May. PB4 having been approved, no instructions are issued for the payment of the new Pension Scales or the arrears. If we let up our efforts, nothing would come. No body can convince me that there is shortage of money in this country.

Live in hope and die in despair. I doubt if I would see the colour of money of the so called increases in my life time.

Lots of love and blessings.

Pran Parashar

(Cdr Pran Parashar, Founder Member of Naval Aviation, Retired in 1974, served the shipping industry for 30 years after retirement. Attends every major rally of IESM in Delhi, visited the IESM Shamiana at Jantar Mantar New Delhi, every day (except when his driver was on leave as being above 80 years he does not have a valid driving licence), while the IESM had its Relay Fast for Justice there, from Dec 08 till the Lok Sabha elction campaigns commenced - Apr 09.)

Views by Veteran Ram Gulrajani 08 Aug 2009

2009-08-09T23:27:00.000-07:00

Dear General

How's that no one bothers to write to National newspapers that have their origin in South India? I feel all important articles by senior veterans should be sent not only to English media but also regional media. In fact, I feel, regional media has a wider audience than English media. Tamil, Telegu, Kanada, Malayalam, Marathi, Bengali, Oriya and NE region will grab such articles for publication. You will keep getting the feed back since IESM members are now wide spread.

Many regards
Veteran Ram Gulrajani

Views of Col James

2009-08-09T23:22:00.001-07:00

Dear Brig CS Kamboj,

I located my membership from IESM webpage. There is double entry with respect to you. One needs to use "ctrl + F" command to locate individual names.
Kudos to the IESM corps team to collate and register all members, a colossal task indeed.

1427 AY1UTT001427L 12151 Brig Kamboj CS Noida Army
42 AYBRIG UTT0000 c Brig Kamboj CS Noida Army
1740 AY1KER001740L IC-16114 Col Kamini Radhakrishnan Palakkad Army
509 AYLATE NK HAR0 2672409F Late Nk Kamla Dev Widow of Late Nk Ved Parkash Jhajhar Army
3054 AY3MAH003054L 7026866 NK KANADE CHANDRAKANT K PUNE Army
3461 IC25777 Lt Col Kanagaraj James Chennai Army

We need to give momentum to the membership drive....rope in PBORs in large numbers.
With regards,
James Kanagaraj

IESM Membership drive by Cdr R Pathak & Brig Luktuke..Pune

2009-07-09T01:46:00.000-07:00

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ravindra Pathak
Date: 2009/7/8
Subject: IESM Membership
To:

Dear All

At last Brig Luktuke was able to get a small item published in a local Marathi paper.It has had a tremendous response particularly from Widows and PBOR.Officers by and large are usual still with their nose in the air attitude.

I have had two interesting contacts.One from the local head of IESL who wishes to meet me and said on phone that we can work together.I have invited him to come home and discuss.Let us see if he actually does come.

The other was a call from One MR Ajit Desai who is a civilian with military background and claims his ancestral land was donated for the MLI centre at Belguam.He is planning a big event for ESM next year and wishes us to get associated.Once i have spoken to him will revert.

The point is that with two inserts in the papers at no cost we have had a very good response and so this media to spread awareness must be used to the maximum.Merely reports of medals being returned etc have not had the desired effect of people coming to join as they have no idea whom to contact.

During discussions with people who called i felt that we will have to evolve a method of reaching out to those who are members on a regular basis.This not being done by IESL is a major crib of most.Many have asked when the meetiing of all members will be.I have no answer as this is what the Convener should be doing.Todate no one has heard about any plans for Kargil day on 26th Jul in Pune.I and some of us have an invitation from Bangalore but all quiet on Pune front so far.

A suggestion has also been made that we could look at a possibility of having a helpline for members through which they could reach us in cases of emergency or for other queries.

Again the problem of non payment or wrong payment of dues by bank has emerged as a major issue even with officers.I feel IESM should start to tackle these issues also as if we do succeed and are able to get it across to the members that we are going to look at these issues we will get members much quicker.Even a letter to the concerned authority would help.

A point about the IESM site.Could we consider it as a means of earning for the IESM?Many ESM have varied business from marriage bureaus for ESM wards to purely commercial.I am sure we could earn by letting them advert on the site.

There are many ESM who are staying on their own and are often at a loss to understand many issues that affect them.They do not know where to go for help in case of emergency.A suggestion was made that either a group like NRI Parents association or a helpline could be set up. May be IESM could take a lead looking into this issue.

Cribs about ECHS continue.

Brgds

R W Pathak

Ravindra Waman Pathak(Mobile 919822329340)
and
Warsha R Pathak(Mobile 919822329340)
1 Surashri

Views by Gp capt VK Vidyadhar

2009-06-29T23:00:00.001-07:00

From: Vaidun Vidyadhar
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:00:09 AM
Subject: [indianveterans] Need to continue Struggle for OROP

Maj Gen Satbir Singh,

I fully support your stand on OROP.

The Cabinet Secretary has invited only the IESL team for discussion on the proposed, diluted, modified version of OROP because they, the IESL team, is amenable to such a diluted proposal. The IESL team has sold out the ESM community. The IESL team has done great damage and dis service to the cause of ESM.

The IESL team, does not unfortunately represent the aspirations of the larger ESM community.

Gp Capt VK Vidyadhar (Retd)

Repy to Gp capt BV Rao

2009-06-24T04:42:00.001-07:00

Dear Gp Capt Rao,

Pl rest assured that we at the IESM are fully seized of the discrimnation being suffered by ESM in receipt of disability pensions and have taken up this issue along with that of OROP with the GOI and would continue to pursue it with vigour. Our attempt at present is to see that the disabilty pension of the pre 2006 retirees is fixed at the same levels as that for post 2006 retirees.

In any case, I am forwarding this mail to Vice Adm Barin Ghose of our Steering Committee, who is heading our 'Pension' cell for dealing with individual cases, where required.

Best regards,

Maj Gen (Retd) PK Renjen, AVSM
Ph: 9810044542

DISABILITY ELEMENT OF PENSION by Gp capt BV rao

2009-06-24T04:40:00.000-07:00

To: militaryveterans@yahoogroups.com

From: bvrao39@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:01:27 -0400

Subject: [MilitaryVeterans] DISABILITY ELEMENT OF PENSION

By now, those who are affected/interested in general welfare of disabled veterans are aware of the continued disparity in the disability element of pension between the Pre-2006 Veterans on one part and the Post-2006 Veterans along with civilian pensioners on the other side. I am an affected person; Hence desire to write in first person on this topic.

My right leg has been amputated in 1965, after two years of service, and assessed to 80% disability at the time of retirement in 1994. On implementation of 5th CPC, I was given Rs. 2080/- pm towards disability element of pension wef 01 Jan 96. At that time, I fully trusted the Govt of India for its impartiality; Never thought that a civilian pensioner drawing same pension as my service element, with 80% disability would be given higher amount - actually he was given disability element of pension of Rs 4104/-. Parliamentary standing commitee on Defence,in its report in 2003, has highlighted this disparity and has recommended an early resolution of injustice. When no action was taken, I represented to the Air Hqs and to the Air Force Assn - later to The Chief of Air-staff; Even subsequent reminders did not invoke any response.

However, I expected the above anomaly to have been sorted out while implementing the 6th CPC Report by revising the disability element to be at least equal to that granted to civilian pensioners. This too is not done; The letter dated 04 May 09 merely added 40% of the basic amount which was granted from 01 Jan 06.; In fact, there was no revision as the said amount was already incorporated in the earlier Pension revision letter dated 11 Nov 08.

It is pertinent to note that the Para 136.15 of 5th CPC Report itself, in some other context, has drawn attention to the violation of Principle of Equality - stressed that same benefits as are applicable to the Civilian Pensioners should also be extended to the members of the Armed Forces. In spite of this, the order of the supreme court has been violated, while also revising the disability element of pension to pre-2006 veterans effective both from 01 Jan 96 & 01 Jan 06.

The above mentioned situation is to be viewed in the scenario which follows:-

A person with disability would be in permanent lower medical category. Hence, he is barred from promotions to selection ranks, also foreign postings. In my case, there were occasions when the reviewing officers specifically informed me that he would like to withold the exceptional report from me, being restricted to 10% of strength, as it would not yield any useful result to me in terms of better career. In spite of this, when my name appeared in the select list for Wg Cdr rank, it was made subject to medical clearance. Subsequently, I sought and Chief of Air-staff waived this requirement leading to further promotions. What I want to highlight is that , disabled members in armed forces miss their promotions too due to which their Service element of pension would also be less than what would have been had he not been disabled. To compensate for this situation, the disability element of veterans should be at a higher rate than his Civilian counterpart.

I request those who are getting opportunity to involve in the brief for NFDC ON OROP to be aware of the above-mentioned special link of medical fitness for promotions in the Armed forces and the additional losses incurred by disabled veterans as compared to Civilian countrparts. The fact that there had been hardly a couple of mails on the subject of 'DISPARITY IN DISABILITY PENSION' shows that the DISABLED VETERANS, as a class, have reconciled to their fate and hardly have supporters who have appreciated their case.

Jai Hind,

Gp Capt BV Rao(Retd)

New IESM members by Col Raman..Tamil Nadu

2009-06-21T23:16:00.000-07:00

Dear Veterans,
>
> I thank Lt Col T Arunagiri for his tireless effort in recruiting members for
> the IESM. I have received the completed Application Forms of 30 PBOR along
> with IOB ch No 657255 dated 18-06-09 for an amount of Rs 3,000/-, which will
> be deposited in HDFC Bank today.
>
> Our Meeting on 12 July will also chalk out the programme for Kargil Day on
> 26 July, in Tamilnadu. Kindly forward your views. I am also contacting Maj
> Ravindran for telecasting his highly acclaimed Movie on Kargil, Kurukshetra.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Veteran Raman

Views of Lt Col james Kanagaraj

2009-06-15T03:19:00.000-07:00

From: James Kanagaraj

To: Kamboj Chander ; Cdr Sharan Ahuja ; raj kadyan ; VIJAY OBEROI ; Harbhajan Singh
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:16 AM

Subject: IESM: Open Letter- Call for Unity

Dear all,
We need to get all the ESM organisations together if the demand for "Pension Parity" for lakhs of PBORs is to succeed. We need to exert pressure on the Cabinet Committee to recommend OROP or APIP, whatever we call so that all pre 2006 ESM get justice. One Time Increase or bridging th gap is only a ploy by Government to hoodwink the ESM organisations into accepting a modified plan wrought with more anomalies. We need to guard against such machinations!
With regards and best wishes,
James Kanagaraj
Report My Signal Blog Team

Veteran Voice: Call for Unity
For all of those currently caught in the debate that is taking place within progressive ESM organizations; the common denominator amongst us is that we are all Ex Servicemen, all other considerations set aside. As such, we have quality of life issues that effect each and everyone of us, as well as that of our families, and increasingly that of our neighbors. We also have a responsibility to ensure that today's Jawans/ Soldiers are properly cared for. This, regardless of personal political ideology. There must be unity of purpose amongst us, in order to bring national focus on those issues, and create momentum for change or reform. Pragmatic solutions will not be forthcoming, not without our setting aside our political and ideological differences, and agreeing to work together on achievable common focus issues. By pooling our talents and our resources at the grass-roots, we can bring about change, at the national level.
The model for this as a workable strategy is exemplified by open letter to all the ESM community, from Raj Kadyan, Indian Ex Servicemen Movement, President. It is based on striving for unity as spoken by Vijay Oberoi, SK Bahri, and ever so many other Veterans; they have already put the plan into action which is slowly but surely bearing fruits. Unity of purpose, and clearly defined achievable goals...it works!
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James Kanagaraj